<55 Are you telling me that the way the Lord accepts his people when their sins are forgiven is that he BLINDS THEM.>
What?
No. Rather, God's forgiveness IS His acceptance of the sinner
<That is what happen when Saul met the Lord.>
That's not what happened when writer met the Lord
Baerly wrote:. Please notice what the bible says:
8.And Saul rose up from the earth; and when his eyes were opened,HE SAW NO MAN: but they led him by the hand,and brought him to damascus. 9. And he was three days without SIGHT......(Acts 9:8,9). If what you say is correct The Lord punish Saul for being obedient. I think It was done to show him how blinded he actually was spiritually (2Cor.4:4). It was not till Ananius told Saul the plan of salvation that Saul could then see when he accepted the truth, that if he was baptized his sins would be washed away(Acts 22:16)
<The Lord did not tell Saul what to do to have his sins remitted either,>
That's becuz one can't do anything except receive it
<the Lord told Saul to go listen to a preacher.>
That's not mutually-exclusive with listening to the GodMan!
On the day of the first gospel sermon (on the day of Pentecost) in (Acts 2:37,38), The answere to the question What do we do about the SIN of KILLING JESUS? was met by the answere to the solution. That solution was not call on the Lord Verbally. The answere was Repent and be Baptized for the REMISSION of sins. Funny the apostles and WRITER do not agree. I will go with the apostles answere myself.
<Ananius told Saul the solution.>
The solution to what? Ananias never used the word, or the thought, "solution"
Common now,you know exactly what I am talking about.The complete solution to his sins being washed away was found within (Acts 22:16).The whole verse was the thought used with words about the solution.This was penned by an apostle who was being led by the Holy Spirit. I know it is truth,that is as long as a person does not TWIST IT AROUND TO SAY SOMETHING IT DOES NOT.
<He said BE BAPTIZED AND WASH YOUR SINS AWAY.>
Calling on the name of the Lord (Ac 22:16)
<when we obey the Lord we are calling on the Lord according to (Acts 22:16).>
That's fair (1 P 3:21). However calling strictly is "epikaleo." Like when you call audibly and someone hears your voice, as throughout Acts and the NT and O
My friend when you agree that water baptism saves,that means that they weeer not saved befroe they were baptized in water. That is why (1Peter 3:21) cans say baptism saves. If the bible says baptism saves who will stand opposed to God?
Calling stricltly is not what went on here. Saul acted upon the authority of the Lord. When one does this they are calling on the name of the Lord. Many times people will say I baptize you IN THE NAME OF THE LORD.This means they are doing this because they realize it all has been commanded by the lord (Mt.28:19).
Repentance is not found one time in the book of John. Does that mean that it is not required? Of course not. The word repentance is used where God wishes to use it. He only has to say it once for it to be so for those who are GOOD AND HONEST HEARTS.
<Here the words baptized and washing, together in the same sentence helps us to understand how (Titus 3:5) has a bearing on the plan of salvation.>
To the contrary: Titus 3:5's washing is strictly "of regeneration." Not baptism
My references of (John 3:3) & (1Peter 3:21) both agree with Titus as it being a water baptism.
<The word of God amazes me.>
Me too
<as man is baptized in the water, it is God who washes our sins away (Eph.1:7) (Rom.6:18).>
God can, and duz, wash away sins both before, and after, and outside of, water. He's neither limited to only baptism, nor to the time of baptism.
Additionally, Ephesians 1, and 1:7, and chapters 2 and 3 mention not baptism. Baptism's first and only mention in Ephesians is 4:5.
Romans also discusses and mentions not baptism until chapter 6. 'Long' after the matter of justification and forgiveness is discussed: Rom 3:21-5:11
<Can you see two different things happening there?>
Romans 6, baptism into His death, involves sanctification. Not justification as Paul uses that term. It involves freedom from the power of sin. Not forgiveness strictly, nor freedom from the guilt of sins. This can be seen in Paul's different uses of the plural "sins," and the singular "sin." Which switch takes place topically between 5:11 and 5:12.
In any case, to try to directly answer your question: there's only the matter of baptism and freedom from the power of sin, and enslavement to God, in Rom 6:18. Washing away of sins in the sense of forgiveness transpired way back in chapters 3 and 4.
Before baptism. And, in the absolute sense, for Paul: before his baptism
<This is all explained in (Col.2:12). When were 1. buried with him in baptism....we have faith that 2.God is washing our sins away like he promised to do in
(Acts 2:38) (Heb.8:12) (Acts 22:16).>
Just like washing from sins, and forgiveness for sins: faith too is not limited to the act or time of baptism. There is a Christian sect which i'll designate as CoC which, sadly, appears to involve itself, or want to involve others, in a kind of water-worship. Seeing baptism as the center and crucial thing of God's NT. Not Christ.
My friend Let me assure you The COC I attend does not do any such thing as water worship. Our foundations is Christ and his words (John 12:48) (1Cor.3:11). We are not a sect either. Baptism is the line of demarkation God has established between the wordl (LOST) and the saved (Acts 22:16) (Mk.16:16).
One positive example is Acts 13:39 where Paul told his audience: In this One everyone who believes is justified. This duz not contradict Ac 2:38. Ac 2:38 duz not contradict 13:39. Both r tru. Hebrews 8:12 also has zero to do with baptism. Either explicitly. Or implicitly
<1John 1:9). This verse has NOTHING to do with those outside of Christ (non-christians).>
To the contrary: sinners outside of Christ can confess their sins (and get inside of Christ) just the same way, and as easily, as one already in
Again please show me where the bible says that in those words. I am perfectly sure you are incorrect in your interpretation,but if you can show me in the bible in those words I will believe it and teach it.
<The book of (1John ) was wrote to Christians.>
The entire NT was written, firstly, to Christians. Another positive example is Acts 3:16 where, like Saul of Tarsus, "faith in His name--His name--has healed this man," before he was baptized
<To become a Christian one follows (Acts 8:5,12) & (Acts 8:35-39).>
And/or one invokes Jesus (Romans 10; Ac 2:21; Rv 22:14, 17). Or simply believes (Jn 3:16; 20:31; Ac 3:16; 10:44-47) into God's living, only begotten, Son. Who is a person. Not a religion nor CoC ritual or religion
<...second law of pardon>
And third, fourth, fifth, sixths...r the same, in essence and content, as first
When one does not have an answere I have found they will say anything.
<(Rom.6:17,18) tells us that when you OBEYED that form of DOCTRINE you were THEN MADE FREE FROM SIN .>
That form of teaching: is "whoever believes into Him has eternal life..."
That form of doctrine was earlier in Chapter 6 when they were baptized in water (Rom.6:3-6) (Rom.6:17,18). Please notice also that we are not WITH HIM (JESUS) till we are baptized in water (Rom.6:4).
<When did they obey ? It tells us in the first part of (ROM.6:3-6), when they were baptized in water.>
Both faith and baptism are obedience. The "obedience of faith" as Paul wrote in Romans 1:5. Faith necessarily precedes baptism. The obedience of faith both precedes, and then includes, the obedience of baptism. Unless one (and i hope Baerly duzn't) propounds forced conversions, or baptisms etc of babies, or on pain of torture, exile, or death. But then: none of those have any Spiritual value
So now you want to include baptism with faith when you have no other answere. It seems you are vacilating again.
<So when we are baptized in water were made free from SIN. That is what the bible says PLAINLY, NOT ME. Please believe it.>
Ac 9, for instance, indicates that Saul ceased his sin of persecuting saints once he met his Messiah. Saul didn't have to wait for that til his baptism.
Please read it. Thanks Baerly