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Featured Christ Genealogy Debunks Christiany

Discussion in 'General Religious Debates' started by Salvador, Oct 12, 2018.

  1. Faithofchristian

    Faithofchristian Well-Known Member

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    As to how do you get Adam in
    Genesis 1:1-5.

    In Genesis 1:26-27, The male and female here is the 6th day creation of the male and female Genesis 1:31( And the evening and the morning were the 6th day)

    Now on the 7th day God rested from his work of creation.
    And then on the next day following l, which we call to day, Sunday. God created Adam and Eve on what we call Sunday.

    That means Adam and Eve were created two days later, after God created the first male and female on the 6th day and Adam and Eve were created two days later, on what we call Sunday.

    What you given in those other books
    Deut 32:8, 1 Chronicles 1:1, Luke 3:38,
    Romans 5:14, 1 Corinthians 15:22,45.
    1 Timothy 2:13, and Jude 1:14.

    There's nothing in all those books that you given that says Adam as being the first to be created. Just because your implying the bible as saying Adam as being the first male created, does not make it so.

    There's no where in the bible that's written Adam as being the first male created.
    Just because people are implying Adam as being the first male created, Does not make it so.
    The reason Adam is mention in all those books, is because through the seed line of Adam Christ Jesus is to come thru.

    But there's nothing in all those books that you given that's say Adam as being the first male to be created Nor is there anything in all those books that even in the slightest way that indicate's Adam as being the first male to be created.
    Your adding things in those books that are not even there.

    Show in those books, Where it said, that Adam being the first male created.
    It's not there.

    Nice try though.
     
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  2. Salvador

    Salvador RF's Swedenborgian

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    1 Corinthians 15:45

    "And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit."
     
  3. Faithofchristian

    Faithofchristian Well-Known Member

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    That doesn't indicate or imply Adam as being the first male created.
    That only indicates Adam as being made a living soul, Unto which has nothing at all to do with the first male and female created on the 6th day.
    You keep trying to imply your own decisions into Adam, Unto which doesn't work, when you back up and slowly read the text.

    1 Corinthians 15:45--"And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit"

    Adam was the first Adam to be made a living soul. Which has nothing to do with the first male and female created.

    And Christ Jesus is the 2nd Adam that was made a quickening spirit.
    What this means is, That Christ Jesus was given the Spirit that gives eternal life.

    John 17:2--"As thou hast given him power over all flesh, that he should give eternal life to as many as thou hast given him"

    There you have it, Christ Jesus the last Adam was made a quickening Spirit that gives eternal life.
    Unto which still doesn't have anything to do with the first male and female created on the 6th day of creation.
     
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    Salvador RF's Swedenborgian

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    Well, I suppose the Bible doesn't clearly rule out there being people or souls who lived on Earth before Adam. Right? I'm not sure of this, it's been awhile since I've read the Bible. I don't recall there having been any Bible verses emphatically stating Adam is the first human being and first human soul who ever lived on Earth.

    Does any Biblical scripture imply there were a race of human beings who lived before the biblical Adam.?

    Adam as being the first man and perpetrator of "original sin" is an important premise of Christianity. If Adam wasn't the first man, then there isn't actually any "origin sin". Jesus supposedly died on the Cross to save humankind from "original sin". If there isn't any "original sin" from which to be saved, then Jesus Christ's death on the Cross is pretty pointless and meaningless. Evidently, there were many generations of people prior to the 76th generation before Christ spawned by Adam. So then, Adam, Eve and original sin are mythological. There is neither any "first man" nor "original sin" throughout human evolution. Thus, Jesus Christ having died on the cross to save mankind from "original sin" is not reality but is rather quite mythological.
     
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  5. Milton Platt

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    I think with the Jews lineage is matriarcal. Could be wrong...........
     
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    So the adam in genesis was just a myth?
     
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    Status as a Jew is matrilineal. Tribal status is patrilineal.
     
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  8. Faithofchristian

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    It just means that Adam was not the first male created.
    People are taught in the churches that Adam and Eve being the first male and female created.
    But that is not what the bible teaches.

    Let's for say, that you have two different kinds of apples, so you put one kind in one basket and the other kind in the other basket, So they dont mix in together.

    This is what God did with the 7th day, by putting the 7th day in between the male and female created on the 6th day and the male and female created on what we call Sunday.
    So God put the 7th day in between them
    So they don't get mix in together.

    So you have male and female created on the 6th day
    Then the 7th day
    Then the male and female created on what call Sunday.

    6th day male and female created
    7th day God rested
    Sunday Adam and Eve created
    So you have the 7th day in between them, so they don't get mix in together.
     
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    Here's what you said ( Well, I suppose the Bible doesn't clearly rule out there being people or souls who lived on Earth before Adam. Right?)

    That's right, the bible doesn't rule out the fact that man was on Earth way before humans of flesh and blood were created on Earth.
    So who is this man, that was on Earth way before Adam and Eve created.
    In the bible it tells exactly who this man is.

    Note in the bible that the Angel Gabriel is referred to as a man.
    Which puts the Angel Gabriel around way before Adam and Eve were created.

    Daniel 9:21--"yes, while I was speaking in prayer, even the man Gabriel"

    So there you have it ( the man Gabriel) The Angel Gabriel being a man. Was around way before Adam and Eve were created, and on Earth way before Adam and Eve were created.

    Seeing the Angel Gabriel is a man, So who do you suppose it was that God was talking to in Genesis 1:26, God saying
    ( Let's us make man in our image, after our likeness)
    God was in the talking to the Angels. Let's us make man in our image after our likeness.
    Angel Gabriel a man.
     
  10. Milton Platt

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    So you do realize that biblical days were days as recognized by the ancient Jews? A day for them begins with an evening, followed by a morning? So sundown to sundown?

    As to the rest of the post, it is somewhat incoherent.
     
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    So what has that to do with Adam and Eve not being the first male and female created.
     
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    Tomas Kindahl ... out on my Odyssé — again!

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    Yes, I know you are a Christian. And I'm a Gnostic, we all have our peculiar religions, Christians, Gnostics, Muslims, Jews, Hindus, Buddhists etc.. All of them unique in their own ways.
     
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    I believe that is incorrect. Adam isn't the first man of creation. He is the first man in the revived Adamic race. According to DNA I am only 1% Adamic.
     
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    I believe that is incorrect. The Messiah only has to be offspring.
     
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    However that only carries the Adamic race back to no earlier than 5,000 BC. However the DNA is saying that the race existed 50,000 years ago so Adam had to be a revival of the race.
     
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    I'm not under the impression that Jewish kings were chosen among matriarchal lines.
     
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    I'm finding out many Christians don't believe Adam was really the first man, many Christians believe in a pre-Adamic race. My issue with this is Adam as being the first man and perpetrator of "original sin" is an important premise of Christianity. If Adam wasn't the first man, then there isn't actually any "origin sin". Jesus supposedly died on the Cross to save humankind from "original sin". If there isn't any "original sin" from which to be saved, then Jesus Christ's death on the Cross is pretty pointless and meaningless. Evidently, there were many generations of people prior to the 76th generation before Christ spawned by Adam. So then, Adam, Eve and original sin are mythological. There is neither any "first man" nor "original sin" throughout human evolution. Thus, Jesus Christ having died on the cross to save mankind from "original sin" is not reality but is rather quite mythological.
     
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