Chinese anger at UK shoe-thrower

[Comicaze247]

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lol, awesome!

 

[Benjamin_D]

Only idiots throw shoes.

 

[JewishLeftist]

Shame on the British police for arresting the brave protester. While it might have been rash it was a perfectly legitimate form of expression in protesting the presence of a dictator. You have to look at it from a fair and balanced perspective: who's worse, the maniacal dictator who kills innocent people, or the angry protestor who throws a shoe at said dictator. It's too bad nobody threw their shoes at Ahmadinejad when he was at Columbia. I personally aplaud the young man for his bravery.

The Chinese are a threat to the liberal European identity, just like Muslims. Personally if they do not assimilate and adopt liberal ideas and lifestyles, they should leave Europe. And the European government should halt immigration from Muslim countries and China IMO.

 

[McBell]

Only idiots throw shoes.

Call me whatever names you want.
Whatever it takes to help you sleep at night.
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[LongGe123]

Shame on the British police for arresting the brave protester. While it might have been rash it was a perfectly legitimate form of expression in protesting the presence of a dictator. You have to look at it from a fair and balanced perspective: who's worse, the maniacal dictator who kills innocent people, or the angry protestor who throws a shoe at said dictator. It's too bad nobody threw their shoes at Ahmadinejad when he was at Columbia. I personally aplaud the young man for his bravery.

The Chinese are a threat to the liberal European identity, just like Muslims. Personally if they do not assimilate and adopt liberal ideas and lifestyles, they should leave Europe. And the European government should halt immigration from Muslim countries and China IMO.

you clearly don't know TOO much about China or its leadership. wen jia bao is one of the more moderate leaders in China - and is revered as a true "man of the people". hu jin tao is the president, and yes, is a bit more of a weirdy conservative. there'd be more cause to chuck a shoe at him, haha.

i wonder, which china issue was the shoe thrown over? and you also have to wonder why he chose to throw a shoe - was it just because someone threw one at bush - maybe because of that he thought he would get more publicity (the ugliness of human nature comes out). was it about the tibet issue? for me, the tibet issue is complete nonsense and based on utterly and completely flawed arguments.

ok, controversial statement - let me explain a little - the chinese claim tibet is part of their country, and so they took it, right? so, the land was taken by force, and was brought into the chinese borders by force. this forms the basis of just about every single "free tibet" argument, that the land didn't originally belong to china, it was taken by force and the chinese should get out. well..using the same logic, we could create a large number of scenarios where other countries would face giving back territory for exactly the same reason. should france give up all of its overseas territories, were they not acquired in the same way? a better example is perhaps the united states. it started as 13 colonies (land taken from the natives) and then it expanded westwards, with land being taken not only from the natives, but also from mexico - all this territory was part of some other nation at some point, but it was taken by force and now it is seen as american territory - tell me how, in this respect, tibet cannot be called part of china?

now, i know people would immediately respond to this kind of comment with something about china's human rights record, and they'd probably mention the dalai lama too. let me say something about that. china's human rights record is currently not too good...correct. i don't think anyone would deny that. however, the human rights records of most countries are pretty crap if you go back far enough. is it REALLY fair to just talk about the last 50 years, why not the last 100 or even 200 years? if we go back a bit, we find all us humans have been BAD! i'm not saying it makes it right, but i think it sheds light on the reasons for it. what i mean is this, china is an emerging country right? a country which struggled through most of the 20th century trying to find its identity, resisting japanese invasions, western attacks on their sovereignty, being torn apart by civil war. when they reached october 1st 1949, something amazing happened - the whole country finally was united under one banner, one cause, one purpose. they embraced it whole-heartedly and were determined that china would be divided no more. the believe that tibet, taiwan, hong kong, macau and xinjiang are all parts of china and they must be part of "one china" - so far, xinjiang, tibet, macau and hong kong have all been assimilated - the final thorn is taiwan, and it's damned complicated, haha.

so why am i prattling on about this? well, the way i see it, china's development in the past 50 years is the result of this turmoil. in the 1960s and 70s the government was terrible in its actions, and even after opening up china continued its militarism, culminating with the terrible tiananmen square massacre. the chinese also recognise this event as a black mark in their history. before you start claiming they cover it up - you can read about it in books here, as well as online and i have openly discussed it in public with other chinese, including police and other people linked to the government. since that time, china has proven to be a changing nation - things are getting better here all the time - and the flow of information and freedom of expression improves all the time. why should china let other countries force her to change overnight? it's ********. western nations were guilty of the same kinds of censorship in the name of national stability and order, tell me why the chinese shouldn't do the same?

as for tibet itself...the west is sickening in its painting of the nightmare image of chinese society. they put it up there with north korea as some kind of socialist hell hole where people are brainwashed to love the party and hate foreigners. ridiculous. china is painted as a society not unlike Oceania in orwell's "1984". RIDICULOUS! they also paint tibet as some kind of buddhist paradise where everyone was happy, dancing around with flowers in their hair and big smiles on their faces, before the big bad chinese came along and destroyed everything. what rubbish. tibet was an oppressive theocracy where freedom was absolutely absent. they were the original hermit kingdom, blindly worshipping their religious autocrat the dalai lama. what would tibet be without china? a closed mountain range still embracing slavery and theocracy. but what is tibet now? a thriving and developing part of china, where people can come and go as they like, do whatever work they want, study whatever they want, travel where they want to. they have economy, social infrastructure, health care, education...

what about the dalai lama? hmph! he's nothing but a publicity seeking sell-out! he does nothing but wander the world looking for sympathy while he tries to get his little empire back. the chinese have good reason to despise him, since he does nothing but try to stir up bad opinion about the chinese, him and his best friend sarkozy.

believe me, if you understand anything about the chinese, you will know that the best way to get them truly on your side is to enter into equal dialogue with them - they are a people who despise being dictated to by other countries, and who hate other countries who would work to sully their name, or as they might put it, make them lose face. i'm not trying to tell you china is perfect, or that it isn't doing things wrong. what i really want to say is that what china needs is more time, and more support from western nations. we should be leading by example, not trying to force their hand. the chinese will NOT respond to that kind of action. we must show them why something is wrong, and they will come to fix these problems.

china has already come along way from the tiananmen incident - already the militarism is vanishing from all around the country - the military parades are viritually absent, and nobody seems to care. young chinese are travelling abroad, studying overseas, making friends with foreigners...china is undergoing its international evolution. the next generation of government is going to be one enlightened by greater and broader education, through amazing experiences outside china, and through their relationships with people of other nations and creeds. this is how the west improved - once those conservatives died off and the young liberal minded took over - this will happen in china too!

 

[3.14]

shoe's there not just for walking anymore


ps
i wonder if the man practiced trowing his shoe with a dog

 

[Mathematician]

you clearly don't know TOO much about China or its leadership. wen jia bao is one of the more moderate leaders in China - and is revered as a true "man of the people". hu jin tao is the president, and yes, is a bit more of a weirdy conservative. there'd be more cause to chuck a shoe at him, haha.

i wonder, which china issue was the shoe thrown over? and you also have to wonder why he chose to throw a shoe - was it just because someone threw one at bush - maybe because of that he thought he would get more publicity (the ugliness of human nature comes out). was it about the tibet issue? for me, the tibet issue is complete nonsense and based on utterly and completely flawed arguments.

ok, controversial statement - let me explain a little - the chinese claim tibet is part of their country, and so they took it, right? so, the land was taken by force, and was brought into the chinese borders by force. this forms the basis of just about every single "free tibet" argument, that the land didn't originally belong to china, it was taken by force and the chinese should get out. well..using the same logic, we could create a large number of scenarios where other countries would face giving back territory for exactly the same reason. should france give up all of its overseas territories, were they not acquired in the same way? a better example is perhaps the united states. it started as 13 colonies (land taken from the natives) and then it expanded westwards, with land being taken not only from the natives, but also from mexico - all this territory was part of some other nation at some point, but it was taken by force and now it is seen as american territory - tell me how, in this respect, tibet cannot be called part of china?

now, i know people would immediately respond to this kind of comment with something about china's human rights record, and they'd probably mention the dalai lama too. let me say something about that. china's human rights record is currently not too good...correct. i don't think anyone would deny that. however, the human rights records of most countries are pretty crap if you go back far enough. is it REALLY fair to just talk about the last 50 years, why not the last 100 or even 200 years? if we go back a bit, we find all us humans have been BAD! i'm not saying it makes it right, but i think it sheds light on the reasons for it. what i mean is this, china is an emerging country right? a country which struggled through most of the 20th century trying to find its identity, resisting japanese invasions, western attacks on their sovereignty, being torn apart by civil war. when they reached october 1st 1949, something amazing happened - the whole country finally was united under one banner, one cause, one purpose. they embraced it whole-heartedly and were determined that china would be divided no more. the believe that tibet, taiwan, hong kong, macau and xinjiang are all parts of china and they must be part of "one china" - so far, xinjiang, tibet, macau and hong kong have all been assimilated - the final thorn is taiwan, and it's damned complicated, haha.

so why am i prattling on about this? well, the way i see it, china's development in the past 50 years is the result of this turmoil. in the 1960s and 70s the government was terrible in its actions, and even after opening up china continued its militarism, culminating with the terrible tiananmen square massacre. the chinese also recognise this event as a black mark in their history. before you start claiming they cover it up - you can read about it in books here, as well as online and i have openly discussed it in public with other chinese, including police and other people linked to the government. since that time, china has proven to be a changing nation - things are getting better here all the time - and the flow of information and freedom of expression improves all the time. why should china let other countries force her to change overnight? it's ********. western nations were guilty of the same kinds of censorship in the name of national stability and order, tell me why the chinese shouldn't do the same?

as for tibet itself...the west is sickening in its painting of the nightmare image of chinese society. they put it up there with north korea as some kind of socialist hell hole where people are brainwashed to love the party and hate foreigners. ridiculous. china is painted as a society not unlike Oceania in orwell's "1984". RIDICULOUS! they also paint tibet as some kind of buddhist paradise where everyone was happy, dancing around with flowers in their hair and big smiles on their faces, before the big bad chinese came along and destroyed everything. what rubbish. tibet was an oppressive theocracy where freedom was absolutely absent. they were the original hermit kingdom, blindly worshipping their religious autocrat the dalai lama. what would tibet be without china? a closed mountain range still embracing slavery and theocracy. but what is tibet now? a thriving and developing part of china, where people can come and go as they like, do whatever work they want, study whatever they want, travel where they want to. they have economy, social infrastructure, health care, education...

what about the dalai lama? hmph! he's nothing but a publicity seeking sell-out! he does nothing but wander the world looking for sympathy while he tries to get his little empire back. the chinese have good reason to despise him, since he does nothing but try to stir up bad opinion about the chinese, him and his best friend sarkozy.

believe me, if you understand anything about the chinese, you will know that the best way to get them truly on your side is to enter into equal dialogue with them - they are a people who despise being dictated to by other countries, and who hate other countries who would work to sully their name, or as they might put it, make them lose face. i'm not trying to tell you china is perfect, or that it isn't doing things wrong. what i really want to say is that what china needs is more time, and more support from western nations. we should be leading by example, not trying to force their hand. the chinese will NOT respond to that kind of action. we must show them why something is wrong, and they will come to fix these problems.

china has already come along way from the tiananmen incident - already the militarism is vanishing from all around the country - the military parades are viritually absent, and nobody seems to care. young chinese are travelling abroad, studying overseas, making friends with foreigners...china is undergoing its international evolution. the next generation of government is going to be one enlightened by greater and broader education, through amazing experiences outside china, and through their relationships with people of other nations and creeds. this is how the west improved - once those conservatives died off and the young liberal minded took over - this will happen in china too!

很好！

One of the best posts I've read.

 

[Caladan]

While it might have been rash it was a perfectly legitimate form of expression in protesting the presence of a dictator

Its an illegitimate form of protest, that has no place among civilized people. I believe this form of 'protests' should be punished severely. people cannot act like a mob towards leaders and representatives of other nations, regardless of their personal opinions, and if this is the kind of action they resort to, they dont have much of a substance in their opinion to begin with. not only that, but in the eyes of an enlightened person, they give more strength to the person they assault, simply by proving they dont have the ability to protest them in accepted and intellectual methods.

All the people who encourage these kind of actions against the figures they dislike, need to examine themselves before they lose their human image. we are people, its in our genes to think!

 

[JewishLeftist]

you clearly don't know TOO much about China or its leadership. wen jia bao is one of the more moderate leaders in China - and is revered as a true "man of the people". hu jin tao is the president, and yes, is a bit more of a weirdy conservative. there'd be more cause to chuck a shoe at him, haha.

Even though your English is a bit better than some other people it is still obvious that you are Chinese and a supporter of the tyrannical Chinese government. You are posting here because you have been ordered to do so by the Capitalist Party, which runs on a mixture of stupidity and arrogance. Don't you know that all nationalism ever does is divide people? If you continue on this path, China will burn one day. Just like Berlin did after WW2.

If this small protest from this lone shoe thrower is that bad, what about the crimes against humanity that this Dictator Wen is directly or indirectly involved in Tibet? I personally am happy that people around the world are not taking it anymore. I am happy that dictators like Bush and Wen get shoes thrown at them. The man who threw the shoe stood up for what he believed in. Meanwhile all you are good at doing, LongGe is hiding the dirty laundry of your Capitalist Party reactionary ruling class in Beijing. I guess you "five cent posters" or whatever you're called think genocide is a responsibility, not a crime.

Just because you want to gravely misrepresent Tibet, the Dalai Lama and China does not make what you say true. You posted only your opinions while I am now posting facts. Why is the "Spiritual Switzerland" of the world being maligned and defamed by the Chinese? Why do they want to hurt a group of peaceful Tibetans who never did anything to them? Why can't the Tibetans be free again to live life peacefully without fear of oppression, fear of recrimination/reprisal, prison, beatings, and cultural genocide/assimilation? Can you answer these questions? And if it takes you too long, I will know that you are consulting your superiors in Beijing...

Given that 6million alive Tibetans don't believe that Tibet is a part of China, & many more millions dead ones didn't, AND,the 100's of millions that support The Dalai Lama all over the world, I would say that you are wrong just looking at the numbers. Also, seriously, who gives a flying f* that China Govt "does not appreciate interference in its internal matters"? Tibet is not a part of China, and never was, so it cannot be considered an internal matter. Might does not make right, and no amount of psychobabble you learned in Chinese Propaganda School can change that. The same old tired tripe and hatred posted many times does not make it true. Hitler was wrong, or maybe again that's something they don't teach you at the Chinese Propaganda School.

Oh yeah and please reply, LongGe. Whenever I feel the need for a good laugh, I will enjoy reading your 5-cent paid posts!

FREE TIBET

 

[Falvlun]

Even though your English is a bit better than some other people it is still obvious that you are Chinese and a supporter of the tyrannical Chinese government. You are posting here because you have been ordered to do so by the Capitalist Party, which runs on a mixture of stupidity and arrogance.
/snip/
Oh yeah and please reply, LongGe. Whenever I feel the need for a good laugh, I will enjoy reading your 5-cent paid posts!

Wow. That was one of the rudest posts I have ever read. And it's not like things don't get heated around here.

China has reacted with indignation over an incident in which a shoe was thrown at its premier, Wen Jiabao.
Foreign ministry spokeswoman Jiang Yu said the man who disrupted a speech by the premier had exhibited "despicable behaviour".
China's reaction was far harsher than when two shoes were thrown at former US President George W Bush. A 27-year-old man has been charged with committing a public order offence following the incident in the UK.

It seems to be catching on
BBC NEWS | World | Asia-Pacific | Chinese anger at UK shoe-thrower

Personally, I thought the thing was rather childish. Whatever his reasons for protesting, the only reason you would choose a shoe is because it happened to be "cool" or "witty" at the time. It made sense for the Iraqi protester to throw his shoe because that is part of a long standing cultural tradition. For some punk kid to just up and claim that sort of meaning just makes the whole action seem petty.

 

[kai]

Personally, I thought the thing was rather childish. Whatever his reasons for protesting, the only reason you would choose a shoe is because it happened to be "cool" or "witty" at the time. It made sense for the Iraqi protester to throw his shoe because that is part of a long standing cultural tradition. For some punk kid to just up and claim that sort of meaning just makes the whole action seem petty.

yeah its kind of lost its shine.

 

[LongGe123]

Even though your English is a bit better than some other people it is still obvious that you are Chinese and a supporter of the tyrannical Chinese government. You are posting here because you have been ordered to do so by the Capitalist Party, which runs on a mixture of stupidity and arrogance. Don't you know that all nationalism ever does is divide people? If you continue on this path, China will burn one day. Just like Berlin did after WW2.

If this small protest from this lone shoe thrower is that bad, what about the crimes against humanity that this Dictator Wen is directly or indirectly involved in Tibet? I personally am happy that people around the world are not taking it anymore. I am happy that dictators like Bush and Wen get shoes thrown at them. The man who threw the shoe stood up for what he believed in. Meanwhile all you are good at doing, LongGe is hiding the dirty laundry of your Capitalist Party reactionary ruling class in Beijing. I guess you "five cent posters" or whatever you're called think genocide is a responsibility, not a crime.

Just because you want to gravely misrepresent Tibet, the Dalai Lama and China does not make what you say true. You posted only your opinions while I am now posting facts. Why is the "Spiritual Switzerland" of the world being maligned and defamed by the Chinese? Why do they want to hurt a group of peaceful Tibetans who never did anything to them? Why can't the Tibetans be free again to live life peacefully without fear of oppression, fear of recrimination/reprisal, prison, beatings, and cultural genocide/assimilation? Can you answer these questions? And if it takes you too long, I will know that you are consulting your superiors in Beijing...

Given that 6million alive Tibetans don't believe that Tibet is a part of China, & many more millions dead ones didn't, AND,the 100's of millions that support The Dalai Lama all over the world, I would say that you are wrong just looking at the numbers. Also, seriously, who gives a flying f* that China Govt "does not appreciate interference in its internal matters"? Tibet is not a part of China, and never was, so it cannot be considered an internal matter. Might does not make right, and no amount of psychobabble you learned in Chinese Propaganda School can change that. The same old tired tripe and hatred posted many times does not make it true. Hitler was wrong, or maybe again that's something they don't teach you at the Chinese Propaganda School.

Oh yeah and please reply, LongGe. Whenever I feel the need for a good laugh, I will enjoy reading your 5-cent paid posts!

oh how i enjoyed reading all this! first of all - I am not Chinese, not even a little bit. I am an absolute pureblood Englishman, so take that little bit of anti-chinese judgmental tripe you spouted and shove it.

I am also not the product of any Chinese education system, having done all my growing up, high school and such in the UK. I would ask you and the millions of other do-gooders around the world what exactly makes you think YOU can represent Tibet? I base my opinions on having lived and grew up in the west with its constant china-bashing and senseless slurring of China's name, and then moving to China with it's frankly irritating "everything is A-ok in China" attitude, which has led me to conclude that any and every country is bad in exactly the same way since they're all controlled by flawed human beings.

on the other hand, China is actually a great place to live, and only having lived here do I feel anywhere near qualified to make judgements about what China is really like.

Here's a fact for you - your ideas of some classically red commie china with state brainwashing institutions and propaganda posters are grossly ill-founded. You must be looking at those pictures of China from the 1950s and 60s. Sorry to say, for your small prejudiced mind, that things are quite different now.

If you'd care to read my other post a bit more carefully, I think I made it clear that I am not trying to say that China hasn't been wrong in its actions, or that China itself isn't riddled with problems. What I was trying to say, was that being hostile towards China will achieve nothing. Positive change can be achieved in China through other means, diplomatic ones. I know how the Chinese think, and you might just have to listen.

Oh...and I've also worked in the Chinese public education system, as an English teacher, and I can tell you with total certainty, that there is no party brainwashing, no propaganda school, or anything like that. Thought I'd just give you the chance to hear it from someone who's been there, and would know about it, rather than you just reading it in some kind of fascist right wing western rag of a newspaper.

What was all that stuff about "the same old tired tripe and hatred"? Was that referring to me? or to China? Because I've not seen either, none coming from me and none coming from the Chinese.

What you really need to see is that nothing is so black and white - you can't just suppose that western media is honest because it's free - there's always an agenda! the chinese may control there's in the interests of national stability, and the west controls its media in the interest of profit - is there really a difference?! isn't it all full of falsehood. I mean, usually people read stuff in the papers and say "oh well, i'm sure they're blowing it all out of proportion" - but then they print something about china and they treat is as gospel truth - it's strange to me.

My opinions are based on my real life experience here in China, and I think that's the only way we can make an accurate judgement, don't you? frankly i find your comments all a bit shallow, prejudiced and without foundation. China's "nationalism" is absolutely nothing like that of the Nazis, and the Chinese would be deeply insulted that you compare them to such people. Chinese are taught to love and respect their country (not the party in fact, that was the old line, now it's all about China) - and to respect their province, city, school and family. In fact, it just means you have young people who are nice and don't assault pensioners, or mug unsuspecting people stabbing them for the chance to get their hands on their mobile phones. You have people with national pride, and yet at the same time, do respect and show interest in foreign cultures. Your ideas on China are so outdated - you need to catch up it would seem.

 

[LongGe123]

can i also just take this chance to point out some of my terrible english mistakes, as an English teacher I feel I must.

first: having lived and grew up should be having lived and grown up

second: the chinese may control there's should be the chinese may control their's

I must have been typing too passionately again There could be a couple more in there, I didn't look very carefully.

 

[Spiritone]

I hope they made him walk home with just one shoe.