Probably because they are much smaller and not
nearly so many of them.
Windmills pumping water for cattle on western ranches
is scenic, the sounds they make pleasant.
Not so with wind farms.
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Probably because they are much smaller and not
nearly so many of them.
Windmills pumping water for cattle on western ranches
is scenic, the sounds they make pleasant.
Not so with wind farms.
Well isn't it?
Those aren't due to windmills though.
I blame our covering the planet with pavement, farms, cities & law offices.
We should attack that last one first.
What could be nicer than attacking lawyers?Hey, be nice!
Do note the cloth fins
Ever noticed how cloth is so flexible? That is why they had timber to stop it flopping about
I've been watching that for years. It's almost to the point of being rare to see bugs other than ants and ticks, in the woods! Even the ants seem less plentiful but certainly all of the other critters are less than they were. I worry about that also. Not certain what would happen when such a keystone species vanishes. We may see a planet devoid of all critters other than ourselves and our pets. I guess it wouldn't bring on the end but it sure would be weird."We can". Yeah, I guess.
Have you red about declining insect populations
world wide?
Somehow I do not have a good feeling about that.
I've been watching that for years. It's almost to the point of being rare to see bugs other than ants and ticks, in the woods! Even the ants seem less plentiful but certainly all of the other critters are less than they were. I worry about that also. Not certain what would happen when such a keystone species vanishes. We may see a planet devoid of all critters other than ourselves and our pets. I guess it wouldn't bring on the end but it sure would be weird.
I assume you have never been to Holland?
Perhaps it was because the "Burn fossil fuels now and screw green energy brigade" didnt exist back them
Being bloody stupid hardly qualifies as typical, most wind farm design takes migration paths into account.
Who is pretending, how about NOT ignoring the fact that i have children who will have children of their own in a world screwed by relying on fossil fuel.
What i see is that green energy is the better of 2 rapists.
Yes windfarms can be destructive to wildlife, fossil fuel is destructive to the world.
Didnt read this paragraph, too much text in one block for me
And i wish the far right would admit the world is in trouble rather than milking it more and more to increase profits at the expense of the future
No. However, Holland's windmills are not the same as windfarms in California. Not even remotely close. For one thing, the Tehachapi windfarm, very close to where I live, has, quite literally, four times as many wind turbines as in the whole of the Netherlands. When you combine that number with the Altamont Pass windfarm, it surpasses the number of turbines proposed by the Netherlands off shore farms by six times. ....and that's just two of the windfarms in California. When you add in all the windmills in California, you have TEN TIMES the number of turbines in Holland, and Texas has considerably more than California does.
No, actually, the existing windfarms did not take migration paths into account. I see that you have done very little research into this matter. NEW ones will try to take migration paths into account. That's one of the solutions that wind farm owners are looking at. You would have learned this had you bothered to read the post to which you are responding.
So...you would rather have a world that is making entire bird species go extinct because you don't like fossil fuels? How does that make you any different from the people you obviously despise? Denying that your favorite energy production method has problems doesn't help you any more than denying that fossil fuels have problems helps anybody else. Just...acknowledge the problem, and also acknowledge that there needs to be a solution to it.
That solution need not involve eliminating wind farms, but I don't see how trading the evils of fossil fuel for the evils of destroying the ecology is an acceptable solution to our energy needs.
I would prefer neither rapist, thank you. Acknowledge the problems. Fix them. How is that a horrible thing?
You really sound like the very worst of the right wing global warming deniers. How in the world can you say that 'wildlife' isn't part of the world? Something that is destructive to wildlife IS destructive to the world. Perhaps you can tell me how having a smog free sky without birds in it is better than the other way around?
Given that this paragraph addressed all the criticisms and snarks you have issued here, you really should have made the effort to read it. Responding to a post without reading it causes problems. One can end up responding with stuff that makes one look...well...hmn.
And I wish the far left didn't sound exactly like the far right, on the other end of the spectrum. The IDEA, Christine, is to find, acknowledge and SOLVE the problems. In the paragraph that you didn't bother to read, you would have found out that wind farm owners are trying to do exactly that. Attitudes like yours aren't helping.
You seem to be overreacting Environmental impact of wind power - Wikipedia look at ecology.
It references studies and it appears it’s not nearly as bad as you said. Wiki is a good starting point but not an end. Tho I don’t see you citing studies. Tall building seem to kill birds a whole lot more. So, I guess we should get rid of tall building first?
I am always skeptical of those hawking the number of birds killed by windmills. What are the numbers of birds killed by the toxins released by burning coal or other fossil fuels?
And sure, solar energy production is - amazingly - dependent on sunshine. How about battery tech?
How about a combination of answers, rather than the false dichotomies that, for example, the pro-coal people spit out?
You seem to be overreacting Environmental impact of wind power - Wikipedia look at ecology.
It references studies and it appears it’s not nearly as bad as you said. Wiki is a good starting point but not an end. Tho I don’t see you citing studies. Tall building seem to kill birds a whole lot more. So, I guess we should get rid of tall building first?
WIKIPEDIA????
Great googly moogly.
If that is the level of your research.....
never mind.
YesTall people. For one thing they always look down on me.
And I am sure they are bad for birds.
Windmills DO kill birds. We call them 'bird quizenarts" around here...and we have a lot of windmill 'farms.' They are ecological disasters, quite frankly. Nothing can live where they are, and when they quite literally cover entire mountains, as they do here, the impact upon the local ecology is blatant.
....and believe me, putting mesh around them is not a viable option.
I don't know about the problems that solar farms have; we have a great many of those, too. Perhaps the problems that come with disposing of the old and worn out panels are huge. I don't know. I DO know that where they are, the poppies don't grow.
So...what do we do about it? Frankly, I don't know. Those of you who know me at all know that I'm not exactly 'left' on anything much. I am, however, for renewable energy and taking care of the planet we live on. When I see something with this level of unintended nasty consequences, I have to wonder about them.
Oh....and I do have solar panels on my roof. They have cut my electric bills to darned near nothing; in fact, some months I produce more electricity than I use. I LIKE that.
But I am having a few second and third thoughts about the gigantic solar and wind farms that are sprouting up all over the place out this way.