robtex
Veteran Member
Can a theist really accept evoution as propsed by the science community? Or do they pick and choose the parts they accept and not recognize the rest: To start with:
The Soul. There are two theories proposed in theism that believes in a soul.
1) only man has a soul
2) other animals have souls
if,
1a) Only man has a soul, what did it evolve from what is it dna composure
2a) other animals have souls how is it different from man's or is it the same? what is its dna composure?
In the evoultionary model nothing exists that is living outside of the model and it would seem if the proposition of a soul were to be "fitted" into the model the above points would need to be reconciled.
Afterlife
1) place of bliss (body considered dead in biology) the notion of an afterlife is not acknowledge by evolutionary biology or genetics
2) reincarnation is at odds as biology proposes when the brain dies life ceases to exist for that person or animal. Decomposition is not seen as a rebirth in biolgy.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Decomposition
http://www.biology-online.org/dictionary/decomposition
http://www.puaf.umd.edu/IPPP/winter98/biology_consciousness.htm
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=PubMed&list_uids=4078859&dopt=Abstract
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death
Man is zenith of god's creation
1) Man not seen as an "end product of evolution in biology. He is seen as an evolved species from other species but not a species that can't evolve into something else and not the "end product" of evolution.
Random mutation vs divine intervention
1) genetic drift suggests a random process of species formation
2) random mutation is in definition a direct conflict to guided mutation which is the premise of theism. A personal God that created man and the animals. Something cannot be random and guided at the same time. If you believe God created you with a personal relationship in mind than you cannot also believe God created "randomly". The thoughts are mutually exclusive.
http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/genetic-drift.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genetic_drift
http://www.nyu.edu/projects/fitch/courses/evolution/html/genetic_drift.html
http://www.randommutation.com/
http://evolution.berkeley.edu/evosite/history/randommuts.shtml
Biology and genetics accpet the notion of DNA being the building blocks of living species. Within this notion is the notion that RNA becomes DNA and thus life is formed. This is called abiogensis. In evolutionary biology it is self-substaining and self operating with no proposed outside force. If you believe in God and feel he made living things what you are proposing is in direct conflict with RNA becomeing DNA as a self operating system
http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/abioprob/
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abiogenesis
You really don't need to read the links to get the gist but I figure someone is going to ask me to show them where it says (fill in the blank) so I posted the links. But in summary I am proposing that no theist accpets evolution as it is proposed by biology or genetics but rather they pick and choose which parts fit into the belief paradigm.
general footnotes:
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/evolution/
http://evolution.berkeley.edu/
http://www.origins.tv/darwin/abiogenesis.htm
counter point footnote
http://www.creationresearch.org/crsq/articles/36/36_4/abiogenesis.html
The Soul. There are two theories proposed in theism that believes in a soul.
1) only man has a soul
2) other animals have souls
if,
1a) Only man has a soul, what did it evolve from what is it dna composure
2a) other animals have souls how is it different from man's or is it the same? what is its dna composure?
In the evoultionary model nothing exists that is living outside of the model and it would seem if the proposition of a soul were to be "fitted" into the model the above points would need to be reconciled.
Afterlife
1) place of bliss (body considered dead in biology) the notion of an afterlife is not acknowledge by evolutionary biology or genetics
2) reincarnation is at odds as biology proposes when the brain dies life ceases to exist for that person or animal. Decomposition is not seen as a rebirth in biolgy.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Decomposition
http://www.biology-online.org/dictionary/decomposition
http://www.puaf.umd.edu/IPPP/winter98/biology_consciousness.htm
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=PubMed&list_uids=4078859&dopt=Abstract
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death
Man is zenith of god's creation
1) Man not seen as an "end product of evolution in biology. He is seen as an evolved species from other species but not a species that can't evolve into something else and not the "end product" of evolution.
Random mutation vs divine intervention
1) genetic drift suggests a random process of species formation
2) random mutation is in definition a direct conflict to guided mutation which is the premise of theism. A personal God that created man and the animals. Something cannot be random and guided at the same time. If you believe God created you with a personal relationship in mind than you cannot also believe God created "randomly". The thoughts are mutually exclusive.
http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/genetic-drift.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genetic_drift
http://www.nyu.edu/projects/fitch/courses/evolution/html/genetic_drift.html
http://www.randommutation.com/
http://evolution.berkeley.edu/evosite/history/randommuts.shtml
Biology and genetics accpet the notion of DNA being the building blocks of living species. Within this notion is the notion that RNA becomes DNA and thus life is formed. This is called abiogensis. In evolutionary biology it is self-substaining and self operating with no proposed outside force. If you believe in God and feel he made living things what you are proposing is in direct conflict with RNA becomeing DNA as a self operating system
http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/abioprob/
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abiogenesis
You really don't need to read the links to get the gist but I figure someone is going to ask me to show them where it says (fill in the blank) so I posted the links. But in summary I am proposing that no theist accpets evolution as it is proposed by biology or genetics but rather they pick and choose which parts fit into the belief paradigm.
general footnotes:
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/evolution/
http://evolution.berkeley.edu/
http://www.origins.tv/darwin/abiogenesis.htm
counter point footnote
http://www.creationresearch.org/crsq/articles/36/36_4/abiogenesis.html