Can the US afford socialized medicine?

[Reverend Rick]

That's an astonishing figure. Do you have a source for it?

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Why do you hate America, Rev. Rick?[/quote]:slap:

 

[angellous_evangellous]

Here we go:

In August 1993, Clinton signed the Omnibus Budget Reconciliation Act of 1993, which passed Congress without a Republican vote. It cut taxes for fifteen million low-income families, made tax cuts available to 90% of small businesses,[49] and raised taxes on the wealthiest 1.2% of taxpayers.[50] Additionally, through the implementation of spending restraints, it mandated the budget be balanced over a number of years.

Clinton presided over the longest period of peace-time economic expansion in American history, which included a balanced budget and a federal surplus.[6][7] The Congressional Budget Office reported a surplus of $236B in 2000, the last full year of Clinton's presidency.[8] On the heels of a failed attempt at health care reform with a Democratic Congress, Republicans won control of the House of Representatives for the first time in forty years.[9] Two years later, in 1996, Clinton was re-elected and became the first member of the Democratic Party since Franklin D. Roosevelt to win a second term as president.

 

[Smoke]

Damn, Rick, you are good at changing the subject. I just about fell for it.

But instead of going off on a possible balanced budget amendment, or what's wrong with Obama, how about if we stick to the topic of the thread this time?

 

[Mr Cheese]

Damn, Rick, you are good at changing the subject. I just about fell for it.

But instead of going off on a possible balanced budget amendment, or what's wrong with Obama, how about if we stick to the topic of the thread this time?

:sarcastic surely you jest!

stick to the topic?
not denounce Obama?
Not post articles that are months old about Obama's dog?

:sarcastic You really want a lot don't you?

 

[angellous_evangellous]

And this:

The Bush Budget Deficit Death Spiral

When Reagan took office in 1981, the national debt stood at $995 billion. Twelve years later, by the end of George H.W. Bush's presidency, it had exploded to $4 trillion. Reagan was a "B" grade movie actor and a doddering, probably clinically senile president, but he was a sheer genius at rewarding his friends by saddling other people with debts.

Bill Clinton reversed Reagan's course, raising taxes on the wealthy, and lowering them for the working and middle classes. This produced the longest sustained economic expansion in American history. Importantly, it also produced budgetary surpluses allowing the government to begin paying down the crippling debt begun under Reagan. In 2000, Clinton's last year, the surplus amounted to $236 billion. The forecast ten year surplus stood at $5.6 trillion. It was the last black ink America would see for decades, perhaps forever.
George W. Bush immediately reversed Clinton's policy in order to revive Reagan's...

 

[Reverend Rick]

I do tend to ramble some times. It is old age :sorry1:

If you look at Angelous's previous post you will see that Clinton did indeed balance the budget. He had to threaten to shut down the government to get it done remember?

Have patience, I will tie this up in a bow and be on topic

You will notice that his budget did not have health care in it. :sorry1:

Do you think the budget would have be balanced if we got Hillary Care?

So to answer the op, NO WE CANNOT AFFORD HEALTH CARE.

Now I know you are going to tell me how much health care will save us all......

WE CANNOT AFFORD TO SAVE THAT MUCH MONEY

I could buy a Jaguar and save 10's of thousands, but I still cannot afford that car!

 

[Smoke]

Now I know you are going to tell me how much health care will save us all......

WE CANNOT AFFORD TO SAVE THAT MUCH MONEY

I could buy a Jaguar and save 10's of thousands, but I still cannot afford that car!

We're already spending the money. We're already spending more money than any other country. We're paying Jaguar prices to ride around on a beat-up old Schwinn. Can we afford that?

 

[Autodidact]

Yep. Health care is a public concern and not a private one.

oops, misunderstood evagellous. Too bad, it was one of my more vicious exercises in sarcasm.

 

[Autodidact]

I do tend to ramble some times. It is old age :sorry1:

If you look at Angelous's previous post you will see that Clinton did indeed balance the budget. He had to threaten to shut down the government to get it done remember?

Have patience, I will tie this up in a bow and be on topic

You will notice that his budget did not have health care in it. :sorry1:

Do you think the budget would have be balanced if we got Hillary Care?

So to answer the op, NO WE CANNOT AFFORD HEALTH CARE.

Now I know you are going to tell me how much health care will save us all......

WE CANNOT AFFORD TO SAVE THAT MUCH MONEY

I could buy a Jaguar and save 10's of thousands, but I still cannot afford that car!

Yes, gosh darn it, we can't afford to save all that money! The only way to balance the budget is to make sure we spend more money on health care than any other country on earth! If we were to spend less money...umm...I think I just ran out of sarcasm for this discussion.

 

[Reverend Rick]

We're already spending the money. We're already spending more money than any other country. We're paying Jaguar prices to ride around on a beat-up old Schwinn. Can we afford that?

Yes we are spending the money already, but we are happy with the level of service provided to us. Taking 500 billion away from seniors to pay for someone else to have health care is unacceptable to many of us.

It is health care distribution plain and simple.

 

[Reverend Rick]

Yes, gosh darn it, we can't afford to save all that money! The only way to balance the budget is to make sure we spend more money on health care than any other country on earth! If we were to spend less money...umm...I think I just ran out of sarcasm for this discussion.

Auto, I still remember you saying the democrats where the fiscal party too.

 

[Smoke]

Yes we are spending the money already, but we are happy with the level of service provided to us.

Most of us aren't.

Taking 500 billion away from seniors to pay for someone else to have health care is unacceptable to many of us.

It's unacceptable to me, too. You're getting off-topic again. I'm talking about some half-baked compromise being kicked around Congress; I'm talking about actual socialized medicine like every advanced country has.

 

[Storm]

Yes we are spending the money already, but we are happy with the level of service provided to us.

Who's "we?"

In an extensive ABCNEWS/Washington Post poll, Americans by a 2-1 margin, 62-32 percent, prefer a universal health insurance program over the current employer-based system.
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source

 

[Reverend Rick]

Most of us aren't.


It's unacceptable to me, too. You're getting off-topic again. I'm talking about some half-baked compromise being kicked around Congress; I'm talking about actual socialized medicine like every advanced country has.

You know, If I was so impressed with other countries, I would consider moving there. Other advanced countries have a higher caliber citizen who pays alot of taxes. Do these other countries have half their citizens paying zero in taxes?

 

[Smoke]

You know, If I was so impressed with other countries, I would consider moving there.

By God, I've been using this chamber pot all my life! It was my pa's chamber pot, and his pa's before him, and I don't want nobody comin' in here with no un-American idees about plumbing!

Is that about it?

 

[Shadow Wolf]

I have no doubts we could easily afford it. Cutting the War on Drugs alone would cover a good portion of it. Reduced war spending would also make it more affordable. We could also legalize or decriminalize marijuana and use that revenue to pay for it.

 

[Reverend Rick]

I have no doubts we could easily afford it. Cutting the War on Drugs alone would cover a good portion of it. Reduced war spending would also make it more affordable. We could also legalize or decriminalize marijuana and use that revenue to pay for it.

This is what I am talking about. Figuring out how to solve the problem.

Get everyone involved.


Not run for office on a platform of " I will get you all of this for free and make the other guy pay for it".

 

[Reverend Rick]

By God, I've been using this chamber pot all my life! It was my pa's chamber pot, and his pa's before him, and I don't want nobody comin' in here with no un-American idees about plumbing!

Is that about it?

ROFLMBO

Well plumbing is an improvement over a chamber pot. Nationalised health care may be an improvement for some, but not for most.

Lets face it, health care is expensive and some folks cannot afford it. The bottom line is the people who cannot afford it want someone else to fund it for them.

The other side of the coin is, some people do not want to receive a lower caliber of service.

 

[Reverend Rick]

Who's "we?"

In an extensive ABCNEWS/Washington Post poll, Americans by a 2-1 margin, 62-32 percent, prefer a universal health insurance program over the current employer-based system.
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source

Back at ya!

Majority of Americans Satisfied With Their Healthcare Plans

 

[Autodidact]

Yes we are spending the money already, but we are happy with the level of service provided to us.

Says who?

Americans are more dissatisfied than citizens of other nations with their basic health care (search) even while paying more of their own money for treatment, a five-nation survey released Thursday notes.
Fox News

And remember, it costs us twice as much to be the least satisfied, but it's well worth it, don't you agree, Rick?