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Can the US afford socialized medicine?

Discussion in 'North American Politics' started by Smoke, Feb 10, 2010.

  1. Smoke

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    All figures from World Health Organization, latest data available as of this morning:

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  2. Mr Cheese

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    clearly no, the US cannot afford "socialised" medicine...

    think of all the poor Highmark execs going without the extra mill every year...

    Its a real tragedy
     
  3. Mister_T

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    No that would actually save lives and actually help people. But we CAN afford to bomb the bejeezus out of third world countries and kill hundreds of thousands of their people, and thousands of our own. We have absolutley no problems wasting money on that.
     
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  4. Reverend Rick

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    We need a balanced budget amendment and then decide what we want and how we are going to pay for it.
     
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    "It's ok to kill in the name of Democrasy"

    --Cop shoot Cop
     
  6. Sunstone

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    Why do you hate America, Mister T?


    More seriously, can the US afford not to have socialized medicine when it must complete with countries that have it -- and thus have lower health care costs than the US?
     
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    In short, yes.

    Instead of insurance companies desciding doctor's fees and the nature and availability of care, and pharmiceudical companies determining the same for drugs and their lobbiests helping to create laws in their favor...

    We should do it ourselves through the democratic process.
     
  8. Autodidact

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    Wiki:
    The Health care system in Japan is one of the best in the world. Japan provides healthcare services, including screening examinations for particular diseases at no direct cost to the patient, prenatal care, and infectious disease control, are provided by national and local governments. Payment for personal medical services is offered through a universal health care insurance system that provides relative equality of access, with fees set by a government committee. People without insurance through employers can participate in a national health insurance program administered by local governments. Patients are free to select physicians or facilities of their choice and cannot be denied coverage.

    And they're spending less than half of what we are. Clearly their priorities are all wrong. It costs money to deny health care to people. Letting babies die, making sure adults are disabled rather than treated for preventable condition like stroke--those are all expensive, and we're willing to spend what it takes to make sure fewer people get health care.
     
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    I'm not going to listen to your data because Fox News won't make me listen to your data, and besides, your data was gathered by a socialist communist fascist who hated America.
     
  10. angellous_evangellous

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    Yep. Health care is a public concern and not a private one.
     
  11. Smoke

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    You're suggesting that we spend no money till we have a balanced budget amendment? No military, no court system, no social security? We should just put everything on hold until we get that amendment?
     
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    why not....?

    People with thumbs up their posteriors.... would it be different than now?
    If so...how much?:areyoucra
     
  13. Reverend Rick

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    Uh no. We get the amendment first.

    Don't act like I am crazy, States and cities have to do this each and every day.
     
  14. Smoke

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    Well, which is it? No, or We get the amendment first?
     
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    LOL the latter.
     
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    Think about it, we have x amount of dollars. We spend y amount of dollars. Divide one into the other and you come up with the percent we over spend. Cut every program by that percent.

    If some programs experience an immoral underfunding, we simply cut other programs all together to reduce the percentage.
     
  17. angellous_evangellous

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    In this case, every red cent would go to the wars, which ARE NOT included in the already deficit budget.

    We can add that only one President in recent history who had a balanced budget was Bill Clinton, and Obama is slated to have one in 2011 or 2012, after cleaning up the wicked mess that Bush made.
     
  18. Reverend Rick

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    Angellous, no offense but do you really believe a President who has spent more in one year than all the other Presidents combined is going to balance the budget?

    Now before you get all upset, I say we bring all the boys home and put an end to these wars or come up with the money to fund them.

    Same with health care.
     
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    That's an astonishing figure. Do you have a source for it?

    Why do you hate America, Rev. Rick?
     
  20. angellous_evangellous

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    How long did it take Clinton to clean up Bush Sr's mess?
     
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