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I agree;YmirGF said:It is not likely that the moderates will win. I have noted that Muslims are very reluctant to criticize their brothers, as the Muslim experience is one directly linked to God. If I read it correctly, they feel they have no right to question the faith of a fellow Muslim, even if they consider that faith to be somewhat extreme. Faith is between the Muslim and Allah, and as long as one sticks to the honored Five Pillars, everything is dandy. Muslims are welcome to correct me if I am wrong.
I also have thought about Robtex's comment about a theocracy. Tell me, just how do you remove a group like in Iran once they are in power? They do not allow real opposition to their thinking, and so any alternatives will simply be more of the same. In Saudi Arabia it is illegal to practise any religion other than Islam (I think... though I could be wrong), so again, just how do you dislodge them in a political vaccuum?
It's worked in the past. We get new plots for our Hollywood productions, and their kids are corrupted with good ideas. The Muslims are no worse than we were fifty years ago, partner.YmirGF said:Normally I would agree Flappycat, but frankly, you do not know a lot about Islam, do you? Read the fine print.
I will agree with you largely in principl if not in the details. A good argument can be made that Islam today is not dramatically different than Western Christianity was prior to the Reformation. Would have to take issue with the 50 year thing.Flappycat said:It's worked in the past. We get new plots for our Hollywood productions, and their kids are corrupted with good ideas. The Muslims are no worse than we were fifty years ago, partner.
*coughs*Normally I would agree Flappycat, but frankly, you do not know a lot about Islam, do you? Read the fine print.
-Moderate Muslim.I will agree with you largely in principl if not in the details. A good argument can be made that Islam today is not dramatically different than Western Christianity was prior to the Reformation. Would have to take issue with the 50 year thing.
Where are all the moderate Muslims, and what is there take on this issue? I constantly hear about moderate Muslims, or Muslims who are opposed to the Islamists, Islamofascists, or Terrorists, but rarely do we hear directly from them. Feel free to chime in on this one, I, for one would love to hear from someone who regularly attends a Mosque and upholds the 5 pillars.
How, exactly, are you a Muslim then? Been to a mosque once? Don't uphold the 5 pillars? Heck, under those standards I might be a Muslim. I ask this only partially tongue in cheek. Isn't praying towards Mecca, a pilgramage, etc. . . . and going to a Mosque on a regular basis kind of expected if you are a Muslim?jamaesi said:-Moderate Muslim.
-Very opposed to terrorists. Very vocal about this.
-Been to Mosque once. Doesn't feel like repeating that again. Hasn't got one more than an hour away anyway. Likes going to UU Churches more.
-Thinks the Five Pillows are a little off. (It's with the Shahadah.)
Otherwise how can I help you?
I mentioned it was with the Shahadah. I agree with the first part of it, but I do not think the second part, about Muhammed, should be included. Otherwise the rest of them I have no issue with. If that was cleared up then I'd have no issues.How, exactly, are you a Muslim then? Been to a mosque once? Don't uphold the 5 pillars? Heck, under those standards I might be a Muslim. I ask this only partially tongue in cheek. Isn't praying towards Mecca, a pilgramage, etc. . . . and going to a Mosque on a regular basis kind of expected if you are a Muslim?