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Can Carrots Kill Cancer Cells ???

FFH

Veteran Member
Are you purposely ignoring the fact that people are asking you to back up your claims. You haven't provided a shred of evidence to support you theory's beyond that being healthy reduces the risks of certain types of cancer. Not once have you shown that they can kill cancer cells.
Are you ignoring post number 39 ??.

It makes no difference how many links I post, some people refuse to see what's plainly there.

Is the Harvard study (see post number 39) not good enough ??

Beta-carotene kills cancer cells...

Carrots directly (beta-carotene) and indirectly (Vitamin A builds an optimal healthy white blood cell count) kill cancer cells.
 

Panda

42?
Premium Member
Are you ignoring post number 39 ??.

It makes no difference how many links I post, some people refuse to see what's plainly there.

Is the Harvard study (see post number 39) not good enough ??

Beta-carotene kills cancer cells...

Carrots both directly (beta-carotene) and indirectly (Vitamin A builds an optimal healthy white blood cell count) kill cancer cells.

All your sources lack relevant research and critical trials to support there claims. They are theory's and untested and unproven ones at that.
 

FFH

Veteran Member
Fluffy said:
Enzymes are not living organisms and so cannot die. It is more correct to say that when they no longer function properly, they are denatured. Surely in order to make a claim about enzymes, you need to understand what they are and how they work? What led you to conclude they were living organisms?

When you eat food, it immediatly goes to the stomach. Therefore, all enzymes are denatured regardless of whether you cook them or not.
From this link: 11 Ways to Fight Cancer

Cancer Strategy #9: Use The Right Enzymes To Kill Cancer Cells

Researchers have noted for years a correspondence between low enzyme levels and cancer. In fact enzyme therapy has been used with good results against cancers in Europe, and by some doctors in the United States. To literally digest cancerous cells.

In the early 1900's a doctor in Wales, John Beard discovered that pancreatic enzymes destroyed cancer cells. Making some brilliant observations, he deduced that cancer cells come from stem cells that become uncontrolled stem cells. He noticed that the fetal pancreas starts working and secreting enzymes at the 56th day of gestation. Fetus' don't digest anything till they are born. Beard wondered why did the pancreas in the fetus start working so early? He noticed that the day the pancreas started producing enzymes was the day the placenta stopped growing. The enzymes stopped this rapid growth.

His theory was that many placental cells remain in our body. When hese misplaced placental cells get lost and can start growing, turning cancerous, if you don't have enough pancreatic enzymes. (By the way the medical community thought he was crazy. Now a hundred years later, technology has confirmed there are these cells.)

In 1911 he tested pancreatic enzymes for stopping cancer in mice and it worked. Naturally and unfortunately, he was blackballed and died in obscurity. Decades later Dr. Kelly read about his work, and cured himself of cancer using pancreatic enzymes and started treating and curing many cancer patients using pancreatic enzymes. Dr. Gonzales, sent to investigate Dr. Kelly, liked what he saw so much that he also treats cancer using pancreatic enzymes.

The major reason enzymes levels become depleted is that we eat mostly processed, irradiated and cooked food.

The digestive system was designed to process raw food. Raw food, when it is picked ripe, has enzymes in it that help break down that food in the upper stomach where it sits for 30 to 45 minutes. The enzymes in the food predigest that food. Then in the lower stomach the pancreas excretes more enzymes.

When you eat cooked, irradiated and processed foods, the enzymes have been killed; the food does not predigest in the upper stomach. So when it reaches the lower stomach two things happen. The pancreas must make extra enzymes to try and break down the food.

And often the food is only partially digested.

The pancreas, after decades of overworking, eventually is no longer able to produce an adequate supply of enzymes. So you develop low enzyme levels of all types of enzymes, and your body cannot naturally kill cancerous cells using enzymes.

In addition, food that is not completely digested all too often makes its way into the bloodstream. Especially if you have leaky gut syndrome from candida overgrowth. This partially digest food is treated as a toxin, and the immune system has to get rid of it. This puts an additional strain on the already overworked immune system.

Studies have found that the immune system treats the ingestion of cooked food as a toxic poison, causing a jump in white blood cells in an attempt to get rid of it as fast as possible.
 

FFH

Veteran Member
The use of testimonials as evidence reveals how much science (or lack thereof) is present on that website.
1 out of every 2 people will develope some form of cancer in their lifetime, 1 out of 3 will die. These statistics are steadily increasing.

Will you be one of the three or one of the two who refuses to eat right, just because no concrete study has been done ???

My wife's mother and my own father are two such individuals.

My wife's mother died of pancreatic cancer, which spread throughout her whole digestive system and into her lungs, she was taken quickly, less than a year from the time she discovered she had pancreatic cancer. She went through the conventional treatments and still died...

The doctors told her all we can do is prolong your death, she refused further treatment because it was more agonizing than natural death.

She was her spunky old self just weeks and days before her death. I talked to her two days before her death. She lived in Mass. and I saw her just less than a year earlier, she was quite pale and death seemed to be written on her face, she didn't know she had cancer at that time. I had a feeling it would be the last time I would see her living and it was.

We had purchased an expensive juicer, 400 bucks (juiceman juicer when they first came out and became popular in the early 90's) and found it in her home unused after nearly 10 years.

My father is still living, he has prostate cancer, they say it's not life threatening.
 

gnomon

Well-Known Member
For the sake of being repetitive, I ask again where is the literature, the peer reviewed studies, showing that carrots, with their chemical properties, kill active cancer cells.

edit: The literature on the use of many different vegetables for the sake of aiding in treatment of many illnesses is out there but this is not equivalent to the original argument that carrots or other vegetables kill active cancer cells.
 

FFH

Veteran Member
Again, from this link: 11 Ways to Fight Cancer

DID YOU KNOW? Research shows that the immune system needs 9 1/2 hours of sleep in total darkness to recharge completely -- the authors of the book Lights Out explain. When was the last time you had this much sleep?
 

gnomon

Well-Known Member
Again, from this link: 11 Ways to Fight Cancer

DID YOU KNOW? Research shows that the immune system needs 9 1/2 hours of sleep in total darkness to recharge completely -- the authors of the book Lights Out explain. When was the last time you had this much sleep?

That link is not a peer reviewed study.

Nor does it cite such studies.

The one example you provide has nothing to do with carrots.
 

FFH

Veteran Member
For the sake of being repetitive, I ask again where is the literature, the peer reviewed studies, showing that carrots, with their chemical properties, kill active cancer cells.

edit: The literature on the use of many different vegetables for the sake of aiding in treatment of many illnesses is out there but this is not equivalent to the original argument that carrots or other vegetables kill active cancer cells.
I've given a Harvard study link claiming that phycotene and beta-carotene kill cancer cells.

Did you also miss or dismiss this study ?????

Is there a better source of beta-carotene (direct cancer killer) or a better source of vitamin A (indirect cancer killer, which builds white blood cells, which kills cancer)than carrots ???

Will you be an example of one who refuses to wash his/her hands just because it may be inconvenient and/or a concrete study has been repressed or ignored ???

Again refer to this link: 11 Ways to Fight Cancer

"Doctors today are not very different than they were 150 or 200 years ago. Back then the common practice was for interns and doctors working on cadavers to walk down the hall to deliver a baby without washing their hands. Many women died from the subsequent infections.

Finally a doctor in charge of a clinic figured out what was happening, and had them wash their hands. The infections stopped. When he published his results, the medical profession was outraged. Good doctors could not be the cause of something like this. The doctor was ostracized and fired.

He went elsewhere and repeated the experiment. Again, deaths dropped. Again he announced the results, and again the medical profession rose up against him. The end of the story was, he lost everything, went insane from the tragedy of it all, and eventually killed himself.

Bottom line: Don't expect a doctor working inside the system to buck the system. The risks are too great."
 

FFH

Veteran Member
What The Medical Industry Won't Tell You About Treating Cancer

"There was a woman whose daughter was in the advanced stages of brain cancer. She asked her oncologist if it was ok to give her daughter a superfood called blue green algae. Her doctor told her that it was no problem, that in fact a number of his patients had used that supplement with success in fighting cancer.

Naturally she wondered why he didn't tell her about this product a year before when they came to him.

Unfortunately, he couldn't tell her about this or any "natural or alternative health therapies" and stay employed. Insurance regulations would preclude such suggestions. And he could get into administrative trouble by recommending natural, non-drug treatments for cancer.

His advice is controlled by a large medical industry that makes mega money off expensive cancer fighting drugs and treatments. An industry that doesn't look favorably on natural supplements or other cancer treatments as they cannot patent them to make high profits.

Fifty years from now, the current conventional cancer treatments used by doctors will on the whole be viewed in the same light that we view the old medical practice of using leeches to cure illnesses.

Chemotherapy and other treatments damage cells and tear down and weaken the immune system. But the problem in the first place is that your immune system is already weak, and that your cells are already damaged.

Even if tumors do go into remission, these treatments will have damaged other cells, which are more likely to turn cancerous. The immune system, unless it is supported by supplements and diet to help it recover, will be in worse shape then ever.

While it may have taken decades for cancer to develop the first time around, the second time usually takes a year or two.

Another reason why doctors ignore sensible, safe and healthy treatments for cancer, and recommend costly and illogical treatments instead -- is human nature. They advise and prescribe what they know. Just what we all do.

You go to them and you get what they know. You assume they will do the best they can for you, while in fact they only do what the system teaches them, promotes and allows them to do."
 

FFH

Veteran Member
I'll post the link again the third time, since some have obviously ingored, missed or dismissed it.

Harvard Study: Research Results With Spirulina Extracts, Phycotene, Beta-carotene and Cancer

Great link: Beta-carotene [SIZE=-1]"Foods rich in beta-carotene pose no lung cancer risk. Synthetic beta-carotene supplements have been found to increase the risk of both ..."[/SIZE]

Beta-carotene
"Fresh carrots contain 100% all-trans beta-carotene, while canned carrots contain only 73% all-trans beta-carotene."

"Beta-carotene is one of approximately 50 carotenoids of the known 600, that are called Provitamin A compounds because the body can convert them into retinol, an active form of vitamin A."
 

gnomon

Well-Known Member
Harvard Study: Research Results With Spirulina Extracts, Phycotene and Cancer

This alludes to a Harvard study which I cannot seem to isolate on the web. The site also doesn't provide any link or proper citation.

Compare that to this information,
Beta-Carotene / Pro-Vitamin A : BC Cancer Agency

Still not a direct source but a site which does provide excellent citation. Note this information,

Notably, there is now data that implies that supplementation with beta-carotene will increase the risk of lung cancer in people who smoke. There is insufficient evidence for the efficacy of beta-carotene as a treatment for people who already have cancer.
"Greenberg and Sporn followed 1805 patients who had had a recent nonmelanomatous skin cancer and were randomly selected to receive 50 mg [milligrams] of beta-carotene daily or placebo. With yearly evaluations to detect new skin cancers, no reduction in the number of new nonmelanomatous skin cancers was detected. (Greenberg)" (Spencer)
There is no clear information stating that eating carrots kills cancer cells.

Again,
http://www.crnusa.org/benpdfs/CRN007benefits_can.pdf

This study discusses information on beta-carotene and whether or not supplements actually increase the risk of lung cancer among smokers. There is still more study to be done.

edit: And to make clear, I'm not curious as to whether or not such vitamins inhibit cancer growth. Studies have shown correlations between the use of various vitamin supplements and the inhibition of tumor growth in various different types of cancer. This is not the same thing, however, as stating that they kill cancer cells. I find this interesting because such information could lead people to believe that modern medicine cab be ignored in favor of a wholistic method which is not scientifically verified.
 

FFH

Veteran Member
Gnomon said:
SYNTHETIC BETA-CAROTENE DOES NOT WORK AND IS VERY TOXIC. TAKING IN SYNTHETIC VITAMINS BREAKS THE VERY BASIC RULE OF CONSUMING ONLY WHOLE, AND WHERE POSSIBLE, RAW FOODS, FOR OPTIMAL HEALTH.


From your the link you've provided: Beta-Carotene / Pro-Vitamin A : BC Cancer Agency

"There is evidence suggesting lack of cancer-preventive activity for beta-carotene when used as a supplement at high doses."

Here, I'll post this great link again, in case some missed it.

Beta-carotene
[SIZE=-1]"Foods rich in beta-carotene pose no lung cancer risk. Synthetic beta-carotene supplements have been found to increase the risk of both ..."[/SIZE]

Beta-carotene
"Fresh carrots contain 100% all-trans beta-carotene, while canned carrots contain only 73% all-trans beta-carotene."
 

Bishka

Veteran Member
SYNTHETIC BETA-CAROTENE DOES NOT WORK AND IS VERY TOXIC. TAKING IN SYNTHETIC VITAMINS BREAKS THE VERY BASIC RULE OF CONSUMING ONLY WHOLE, AND WHERE POSSIBLE, RAW FOODS, FOR OPTIMAL HEALTH.

Yes, all sorts of colors and in caps is really going to make people believe you. :rolleyes:
 

FFH

Veteran Member
Gnomon said:
Again,
http://www.crnusa.org/benpdfs/CRN007benefits_can.pdf

This study discusses information on beta-carotene and whether or not supplements actually increase the risk of lung cancer among smokers. There is still more study to be done.
Taking only one of these caratenoids in a synthetic form only poses a toxic challenge to our already overloaded immune sytem.

"Beta-carotene is one of approximately 50 carotenoids of the known 600, that are called "provitamin A" compounds because the body can convert them into retinol, an active form of vitamin A."

Again see this link: Beta-carotene

Only by repeating these links will people begin to take notice of them, apparently.

Beta-carotene
"Beta-carotene can be found in concentrated amounts in a variety of foods including sweet potatoes, carrots, kale, spinach, turnip greens, winter squash, collard greens, cilantro, fresh thyme, cantaloupe, romaine lettuce and broccoli."
 

FFH

Veteran Member
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Yes, all sorts of colors and in caps is really going to make people believe you. :rolleyes:
Health is a very serious issue, which deserves notice, especially that last statement.

You won't understand this until you are much older and are challenged with serious health issues, which drain finances and the literal life right out of you.
 
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