Just_me_Mike
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Well?
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Can a perfect creator create something that is not perfect?
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Zorro1227
Active Member
Yes of course, but none of us are perfect. And we are all flawed in one way or another. So in my mind there could not be a perfect creater.
Just_me_Mike
Well-Known Member
Perhaps what you are describing is like the polars of a magnet, together make are perfect, but separate they mean little.
Zorro1227
Active Member
Maybe. I just have a hard time wrapping my mind around a god that is perfect creating all of us...we are honeslty pretty ridiculous
Just_me_Mike
Well-Known Member
That we are, but imagine buying your child a toy that required no interaction from your child?Maybe. I just have a hard time wrapping my mind around a god that is perfect creating all of us...we are honeslty pretty ridiculous
tumbleweed41
Resident Liberal Hippie
If we assume that God is perfect.
And then assume that whatever God creates is also perfect. And a reflection of Gods Perfection.
Then it follows that sin is part of perfection.
And those in the perfect creation are also perfect.
Then none are deserving of Gods wraith or rejection.
And then assume that whatever God creates is also perfect. And a reflection of Gods Perfection.
Then it follows that sin is part of perfection.
And those in the perfect creation are also perfect.
Then none are deserving of Gods wraith or rejection.
Just_me_Mike
Well-Known Member
Take that a bit further, and when according to the bible when time stops, all things will perfectly and fittingly take their place.
I agree with your post, but think that the perfection of sin, is that it is destroyed. Perhaps?
tumbleweed41
Resident Liberal Hippie
If your God finds it acceptable to destroy perfection,
or bring His wraith upon perfection,
or judge perfection,
then I am at a loss.
or bring His wraith upon perfection,
or judge perfection,
then I am at a loss.
Just_me_Mike
Well-Known Member
If the intended purpose of a perfect creation (in this case sin, or evil) is to only have it existed while time exist, I see no problem. It served it's perfect purpose. Right?
tumbleweed41
Resident Liberal Hippie
SHANMAC
Member
My first inclination was to say yes because a perfect creator, arguably, can do anything s/he wants, including create something imperfect. However, if a perfect creator wanted to create something imperfectly, I'm thinking s/he would create it perfectly imperfect. Although the end result might be imperfect by someone else's standards, it is perfect by the creator's standards. So, my final answer is no.
Humanistheart
Well-Known Member
It would depend on you're definition of 'perfect'. For example, the abrahamic god is by no means perfect. He's no all-knowing, or all loving, he created numerious imperfect creations, he has absolutely no moral compus, breaks his own rules, etc etc. But those who believe in him call him perfect because he's without sin. Of course, since sin is only things that god doesnt like at the moment, this makes it very easy for him to be sinless, and thus 'perfect' by that perverted definition.
whereismynotecard
Treasure Hunter
Well, if you are perfect, and then you get wasted, you can make all sorts of mistakes. I'm perfect, and I make all sorts of imperfections every time I attempt to do anything... wait... maybe I'm not perfect, but rather a complete failure. I get the two mixed up sometimes.
:danana:
BruceDLimber
Well-Known Member
Greetings! 
>Can a perfect creator [please note spelling!] create something that is not perfect?
No!
HOWEVER, given that we were given free will, humans are perfectly capable of screwing up what's around them by reducing or avoiding the perfections already available to those who adopt them!
Simple as that.
Peace,
Bruce
>Can a perfect creator [please note spelling!] create something that is not perfect?
No!
HOWEVER, given that we were given free will, humans are perfectly capable of screwing up what's around them by reducing or avoiding the perfections already available to those who adopt them!
Simple as that.
Peace,
Bruce
jam.bar
Mr
I think thats a good point. Also begs the question why wouldn't a perfect God create a perfect world?
Just_me_Mike
Well-Known Member
For those that believe in free will. I don'tGreetings!
>Can a perfect creator [please note spelling!] create something that is not perfect?
No!
HOWEVER, given that we were given free will, humans are perfectly capable of screwing up what's around them by reducing or avoiding the perfections already available to those who adopt them!
Simple as that.
Peace,
Bruce
Perhaps it is a perfect world.