California burger flippers are soon to be making 20 bucks an hour under minimum wage law.

[Unfettered]

What a load of whooey!

All hail the mighty business owners! Let's all bow and scrape our forheads in the dirt before the majesty of their glorious greed and selfishness!

Good Lord!

No forum rule proscribes the contribution of substance to the discussions.

 

[Unfettered]

So... when talking about where the minimum wage ought to be:

- if you think it should go up, you need direct lived experience as a business owner.

- if you think it should stay the same or go down, all you need is a pulse.

Hilarious.

Those are your ideas and your words, not mine. Laugh at them if you want, though.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Eateries have tried to end it, but customers
didn't cooperate enuf.

Then why is it gone from so many other countries?

 

[Revoltingest]

Then why is it gone from so many other countries?

Different cultures.

 

[metis]

Does your son pay his employees more than his business can financially sustain?

Of course not, but what you've done is to take what I did post to the point of absurdity. When you put words and ideas into someone else's mind and mouth, it's pretty much impossible to have a serious discussion.

 

[Unfettered]

Of course not

Then his generosity is checked by reality, as I suspected it was. Not sure why it took so long for this to come out on your side. It's no strike against his goodness.

When you put words and ideas into someone else's mind and mouth, it's pretty much impossible to have a serious discussion.

I agree. That hasn't happened here. But the converse is also true: when true words don't come out of someone's mouth, it is also impossible to have a serious discussion.

But we are at a point now where all the truth is on the table where we can see it, so we can finally have a serious discussion about the effect of minimum wage increases. Layoffs, hours contraction, business closures and price hikes are taking place in CA. There are many news stories available; you can read or watch them if you like. Or I can provide links.

 

[Wirey]

Then his generosity is checked by reality, as I suspected it was. Not sure why it took so long for this to come out on your side. It's no strike against his goodness.
I agree. That hasn't happened here. But the converse is also true: when true words don't come out of someone's mouth, it is also impossible to have a serious discussion.

But we are at a point now where all the truth is on the table where we can see it, so we can finally have a serious discussion about the effect of minimum wage increases. Layoffs, hours contraction, business closures and price hikes are taking place in CA. There are many news stories available; you can read or watch them if you like. Or I can provide links.

That's just Darwin at work. If a small wage hike broke you, a small price hike or small tax hike would have sooner or later, too. Some people can run a business, some can't, and a few are genuinely unlucky.

 

[Unfettered]

That's just Darwin at work. If a small wage hike broke you, a small price hike or small tax hike would have sooner or later, too. Some people can run a business, some can't, and a few are genuinely unlucky.

Sure, some will raise their prices, adjust hours, etc., and stay in business. There might even be some who simply absorb the cost. We could come up with many scenarios. It does seem a stretch, though, to say that anyone who closes up was simply a bad businessman.

 

[Wirey]

Sure, some will raise their prices, adjust hours, etc., and stay in business. There might even be some who simply absorb the cost. We could come up with many scenarios. It does seem a stretch, though, to say that anyone who closes up was simply a bad businessman.

Not all, but most. The number one cause of failure in a restaurant business is poor choice of location. People think if food is good, you can put it anywhere and succeed, but that is far from the case. As this seems to primarily be affecting dining establishments, I think I can say safely that the bulk of the failures will be among owners who had already made many bad choices, and required as much luck as skill to stay afloat.

 

[Unfettered]

Not all, but most. The number one cause of failure in a restaurant business is poor choice of location. People think if food is good, you can put it anywhere and succeed, but that is far from the case. As this seems to primarily be affecting dining establishments, I think I can say safely that the bulk of the failures will be among owners who had already made many bad choices, and required as much luck as skill to stay afloat.

Again, many scenarios are likely.

 

[metis]

I agree. That hasn't happened here.

Yes, it has and you did it, so it's obvious that going any further with you is fruitless. You put words in my mouth and now you come back with the above excuse.

Nope.

 

[Unfettered]

Yes, it has and you did it, so it's obvious that going any further with you is fruitless. You put words in my mouth and now you come back with the above excuse.

Nope.

I don't agree with the charge, but you're free to withdraw.

 

[McBell]

Let’s look at the new California minimum wage law for workers in fast food businesses and see how it has been working out. Professor Lee Ohanian has done some digging and writes about his findings in this piece for Independent Institute. He observes than 9,500 jobs have already been wiped out, with more expected: “More fast-food job losses are coming as the new minimum wage took effect earlier this month. This includes losses at Pizza Hut and Round Table Pizza which are in the process of firing nearly 1,300 delivery drivers. El Pollo Loco and Jack in the Box announced that they will speed up the use of robotics, including robots that make salsa and cook fried foods.”​

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California’s Minimum Wage Wipes Out Thousands of Jobs | National Review

In their incessant efforts at pretending to help the poor, leftist politicians come back again and again to this issue.

www.nationalreview.com

 

[tytlyf]

Let’s look at the new California minimum wage law for workers in fast food businesses and see how it has been working out. Professor Lee Ohanian has done some digging and writes about his findings in this piece for Independent Institute. He observes than 9,500 jobs have already been wiped out, with more expected: “More fast-food job losses are coming as the new minimum wage took effect earlier this month. This includes losses at Pizza Hut and Round Table Pizza which are in the process of firing nearly 1,300 delivery drivers. El Pollo Loco and Jack in the Box announced that they will speed up the use of robotics, including robots that make salsa and cook fried foods.”​

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California’s Minimum Wage Wipes Out Thousands of Jobs | National Review

In their incessant efforts at pretending to help the poor, leftist politicians come back again and again to this issue.

www.nationalreview.com

Correct, delivery drivers are being fired by corporations to save a few bucks. So what? Do you think the delivery drivers are complaining?
And why should anyone care what George Leef has to say about anything?
He's a paid shill by Koch Industries to push corporate agendas and talking points.
He's affiliated with the SPN and rightwing think tanks. Corrupt to the core by cash.

Learn about the State Policy Network (SPN). A corrupt web of rightwing think-tanks targeting all levels of government for corporate agendas.

 

[metis]

Let’s look at the new California minimum wage law for workers in fast food businesses and see how it has been working out. Professor Lee Ohanian has done some digging and writes about his findings in this piece for Independent Institute. He observes than 9,500 jobs have already been wiped out, with more expected: “More fast-food job losses are coming as the new minimum wage took effect earlier this month. This includes losses at Pizza Hut and Round Table Pizza which are in the process of firing nearly 1,300 delivery drivers. El Pollo Loco and Jack in the Box announced that they will speed up the use of robotics, including robots that make salsa and cook fried foods.”​

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California’s Minimum Wage Wipes Out Thousands of Jobs | National Review

In their incessant efforts at pretending to help the poor, leftist politicians come back again and again to this issue.

www.nationalreview.com

The "National Review" is not an unbiased source, and one sees the word "leftists" in the beginning. However, wage increases do indeed have that effect, but the alternative is to let workers suffer with wages too low to pay their bills.

 

[Pogo]

Let’s look at the new California minimum wage law for workers in fast food businesses and see how it has been working out. Professor Lee Ohanian has done some digging and writes about his findings in this piece for Independent Institute. He observes than 9,500 jobs have already been wiped out, with more expected: “More fast-food job losses are coming as the new minimum wage took effect earlier this month. This includes losses at Pizza Hut and Round Table Pizza which are in the process of firing nearly 1,300 delivery drivers. El Pollo Loco and Jack in the Box announced that they will speed up the use of robotics, including robots that make salsa and cook fried foods.”​

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California’s Minimum Wage Wipes Out Thousands of Jobs | National Review

In their incessant efforts at pretending to help the poor, leftist politicians come back again and again to this issue.

www.nationalreview.com

My understanding is that much of the loss is delivery drivers and was already happening due to it simply making more sense to use on call services that deliver for multiple outlets as has been happening here without any wage increase. As for unemployment, it is currently so low that there should be little problem with employable people finding jobs elsewhere.
There is however the current / future problems with taking advantage of the "gig" economy.
as for automated fryers, that is as much a safety/insurance issue and has been in the works for a while. Getting people to chop vegetables all day is also a cause of repetitive stress injuries and would be on its way out as well.

 

[McBell]

The "National Review" is not an unbiased source, and one sees the word "leftists" in the beginning.

No such thing as an unbiased source.

However, wage increases do indeed have that effect, but the alternative is to let workers suffer with wages too low to pay their bills.

Um...
Seems to me that a lower wage makes it much easier to pay bills than no wage.
But then, we are talking about California, so perhaps I am way off base.

 

[Pogo]

No such thing as an unbiased source.

Um...
Seems to me that a lower wage makes it much easier to pay bills than no wage.
But then, we are talking about California, so perhaps I am way off base.

Yup, you are off base on this one, It is about getting people out of poverty so that they can live independently. Currently you are better collecting "welfare" than working at minimum wage. The wage increases generally go right back into the local economy which is a lot more useful than sustaining the subsistence life. It is one of them paradox things that on the surface seem illogical but in life work the opposite.

The states with the highest minimum wages are the same ones that actually pay beyond their share in federal taxes and support the federal poverty programs in the low income states.l

 

[metis]

No such thing as an unbiased source.

Wow, have convenient was that.

 

[McBell]

Wow, have convenient was that.

I am not the one making captain obvious statements as if they mean something.

So yeah, rather convenient for you.