Cain and Abel

[Fool]

Are you that blind, that you can not read.
I said Eve had two sons.

Had you read my post #18 ---> Seeing Eve only had two sons, one being her seed and the other being the serpent seed)

As to where your going, who knows.

they are both her sons, the fruit of her womb. now if you're implying something about those who sired them, you might wish to reconstruct your premise.


The mind governed by the flesh is hostile to God; it does not submit to God's law, nor can it do so.


25 Man did eat angels' food: he sent them meat to the full.

 

[Faithofchristian]

they are both her sons, the fruit of her womb. now if you're implying something about those who sired them, you might wish to reconstruct your premise.


The mind governed by the flesh is hostile to God; it does not submit to God's law, nor can it do so.


25 Man did eat angels' food: he sent them meat to the full.

How's come your not staying with the Thread, about Cain and Able.
Your going all over the place, Which has nothing to do with the Thread about Cain and Able.

 

[Sleeppy]

Were they twins and did one represent the positive and the other negative? or dark and light?


were they born of adam or the Lord?

Matthew 5:24

Leave there your gift before the altar, and go -- first be reconciled to your brother, and then having come bring your gift.

Genesis 4:7

Is there not, if you do well, acceptance? And, if you do not well, at the opening a sin-offering is crouching, and unto you its desire, and you rule over it.


We are Adam. We are Cain and Abel. Understand these things, and the Son of Man is reborn into wisdom.

 

[Fool]

How's come your not staying with the Thread, about Cain and Able.
Your going all over the place, Which has nothing to do with the Thread about Cain and Able.

because you're assuming that the serpent wasn't a person and they can be as dan was shown to be. men, might men, are considered angels, messengers of god, sons of god. you have those that are of the flesh and those that are of the spirit.


jesus said not to judge by appearance but by action.

 

[Fool]

Matthew 5:24

Leave there your gift before the altar, and go -- first be reconciled to your brother, and then having come bring your gift.

Genesis 4:7

Is there not, if you do well, acceptance? And, if you do not well, at the opening a sin-offering is crouching, and unto you its desire, and you rule over it.


We are Adam. We are Cain and Abel. Understand these things, and the Son of Man is reborn into wisdom.

OK so to rule over sin what must there be? knowledge of what is right and acceptable, or ignorance of the law is an excuse for not doing what is right?


how can one know what to do; if one doesn't know what is right and wrong? accept someone else's authority, or know it for self?

 

[Sleeppy]

Matthew 5:24

Leave there your gift before the altar, and go -- first be reconciled to your brother, and then having come bring your gift.

Genesis 4:7

Is there not, if you do well, acceptance? And, if you do not well, at the opening a sin-offering is crouching, and unto you its desire, and you rule over it.


We are Adam. We are Cain and Abel. Understand these things, and the Son of Man is reborn into wisdom.

OK so to rule over sin what must there be? knowledge of what is right and acceptable, or ignorance of the law is an excuse for not doing what is right?


how can one know what to do; if one doesn't know what is right and wrong? accept someone else's authority, or know it for self?

This says, 'sin-offering', specifically.

 

[Faithofchristian]

because you're assuming that the serpent wasn't a person and they can be as dan was shown to be. men, might men, are considered angels, messengers of god, sons of god. you have those that are of the flesh and those that are of the spirit.


jesus said not to judge by appearance but by action.

I never assumed anything, So stop saying things I never said.

I beg your pardon, Jesus said, "Judge not by the appearance, but judge righteous Judgement"

John 7:24---"Judge not according to the appearance, but judge righteous judgment"

So how is it that you come up with ( action) out of John 7:24 in the above Verse.
At lease if your going to quote Jesus, at lease quote Jesus right.

In all of the bible translations not one of them is found the word ( action) in any of them listed blow, So how is it that you come by the word ( action?)

New International Version John 7:24
Stop judging by mere appearances, but instead judge correctly."

New Living Translation John 7:24
Look beneath the surface so you can judge correctly."

English Standard Version John 7:24
Do not judge by appearances, but judge with right judgment.”

Berean Study Bible John 7:24
Stop judging by outward appearances, and start judging justly.”

Berean Literal Bible John 7:24
Do not judge according to appearance, but judge the righteous judgment."

New American Standard Bible John 7:24
"Do not judge according to appearance, but judge with righteous judgment."

King James Bible John 7:24
Judge not according to the appearance, but judge righteous judgment.

Christian Standard Bible John 7:24
Stop judging according to outward appearances; rather judge according to righteous judgment."

Contemporary English Version John 7:24
Don't judge by appearances. Judge by what is right.

Good News Translation John 7:24
Stop judging by external standards, and judge by true standards."

Holman Christian Standard Bible John 7:24
Stop judging according to outward appearances; rather judge according to righteous judgment."

International Standard Version John 7:24
Stop judging by appearances, but judge with righteous judgment!"

NET Bible John 7:24
Do not judge according to external appearance, but judge with proper judgment."

New Heart English Bible John 7:24
Do not judge according to appearance, but judge righteous judgment."

Aramaic Bible in Plain English John 7:24
“Do not judge with partiality, but judge just judgment.”

GOD'S WORD® Translation John 7:24
Stop judging by outward appearance! Instead, judge correctly."

New American Standard 1977 John 7:24
“Do not judge according to appearance, but judge with righteous judgment.”

Jubilee Bible 2000 John 7:24
Judge not according to the appearance, but judge with righteous judgment.

King James 2000 Bible John 7:24
Judge not according to the appearance, but judge righteous judgment.

American King James Version John 7:24
Judge not according to the appearance, but judge righteous judgment.

American Standard Version John 7:24
Judge not according to appearance, but judge righteous judgment.

As you can see and read, you will not find the word ( action) in none of them.
So how is it you came up with (action?)

 

[Fool]

This says, 'sin-offering', specifically.

hmmmm interesting that a sin offering is a punishment. but obviously cain offered something. interesting too that you can't give to god what is already god

I never assumed anything, So stop saying things I never said.

I beg your pardon, Jesus said, "Judge not by the appearance, but judge righteous Judgement"

John 7:24---"Judge not according to the appearance, but judge righteous judgment"

So how is it that you come up with ( action) out of John 7:24 in the above Verse.
At lease if your going to quote Jesus, at lease quote Jesus right.

In all of the bible translations not one of them is found the word ( action) in any of them listed blow, So how is it that you come by the word ( action?)

New International Version John 7:24
Stop judging by mere appearances, but instead judge correctly."

New Living Translation John 7:24
Look beneath the surface so you can judge correctly."

English Standard Version John 7:24
Do not judge by appearances, but judge with right judgment.”

Berean Study Bible John 7:24
Stop judging by outward appearances, and start judging justly.”

Berean Literal Bible John 7:24
Do not judge according to appearance, but judge the righteous judgment."

New American Standard Bible John 7:24
"Do not judge according to appearance, but judge with righteous judgment."

King James Bible John 7:24
Judge not according to the appearance, but judge righteous judgment.

Christian Standard Bible John 7:24
Stop judging according to outward appearances; rather judge according to righteous judgment."

Contemporary English Version John 7:24
Don't judge by appearances. Judge by what is right.

Good News Translation John 7:24
Stop judging by external standards, and judge by true standards."

Holman Christian Standard Bible John 7:24
Stop judging according to outward appearances; rather judge according to righteous judgment."

International Standard Version John 7:24
Stop judging by appearances, but judge with righteous judgment!"

NET Bible John 7:24
Do not judge according to external appearance, but judge with proper judgment."

New Heart English Bible John 7:24
Do not judge according to appearance, but judge righteous judgment."

Aramaic Bible in Plain English John 7:24
“Do not judge with partiality, but judge just judgment.”

GOD'S WORD® Translation John 7:24
Stop judging by outward appearance! Instead, judge correctly."

New American Standard 1977 John 7:24
“Do not judge according to appearance, but judge with righteous judgment.”

Jubilee Bible 2000 John 7:24
Judge not according to the appearance, but judge with righteous judgment.

King James 2000 Bible John 7:24
Judge not according to the appearance, but judge righteous judgment.

American King James Version John 7:24
Judge not according to the appearance, but judge righteous judgment.

American Standard Version John 7:24
Judge not according to appearance, but judge righteous judgment.

As you can see and read, you will not find the word ( action) in none of them.
So how is it you came up with (action?)

a tree is known by it's fruit, not it's appearance.

the fruit of the Spirit is.................

 

[Faithofchristian]

hmmmm interesting that a sin offering is a punishment. but obviously cain offered something. interesting too that you can't give to god what is already god



a tree is known by it's fruit, not it's appearance.

the fruit of the Spirit is.................

So now your saying Christ Jesus is wrong about saying in John 7:24--"Judge not by the appearance, but judge righteous judgement"
Now that's a good one.

 

[Fool]

So now your saying Christ Jesus is wrong about saying in John 7:24--"Judge not by the appearance, but judge righteous judgement"
Now that's a good one.

Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.

Then Paul said to him, "God will strike you, you whitewashed wall! You sit there to judge me according to the law, yet you yourself violate the law by commanding that I be struck!"


So I will pour out my wrath against the wall and against those who covered it with whitewash. I will say to you, "The wall is gone and so are those who whitewashed it,

 

[Fool]

This says, 'sin-offering', specifically.

so a sin isn't something unknown?


Speak unto the children of Israel, saying, If a soul shall sin through ignorance against any of the commandments of the Lord concerning things which ought not to be done(are unacceptable), and shall do against any of them:

 

[Sleeppy]

hmmmm interesting that a sin offering is a punishment. but obviously cain offered something. interesting too that you can't give to god what is already god



a tree is known by it's fruit, not it's appearance.

the fruit of the Spirit is.................

That wasn't Cain's punishment, if you recall. The sin-offering is an opportunity for mercy, (which he apparently received).

 

[Sleeppy]

so a sin isn't something unknown?


Speak unto the children of Israel, saying, If a soul shall sin through ignorance against any of the commandments of the Lord concerning things which ought not to be done(are unacceptable), and shall do against any of them:

Sin is only achieved by ignorance. God is all-knowing, and because of this, cannot sin.


Luke 23:34
And Jesus said, 'Father, forgive them, for they have not known what they do;' and parting his garments they cast a lot.

These people knew they were killing someone, but their justifications for doing so were out of ignorance.

 

[Faithofchristian]

Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.

Then Paul said to him, "God will strike you, you whitewashed wall! You sit there to judge me according to the law, yet you yourself violate the law by commanding that I be struck!"


So I will pour out my wrath against the wall and against those who covered it with whitewash. I will say to you, "The wall is gone and so are those who whitewashed it,

Have you any idea what your trying to say, your sure not making any sense.
With all that your trying to say, What does that have to do with the Thread about Cain and Able

 

[TheBannerofHomuraAkemi]

Were they twins and did one represent the positive and the other negative? or dark and light?


were they born of adam or the Lord?

It doesn't matter what they represent because were decadents of Cain. Just look at how good Modern man is at killing each other.

 

[sealchan]

Were they twins and did one represent the positive and the other negative? or dark and light?


were they born of adam or the Lord?

I've noticed a pattern in Genesis which fairly obvious once seen. If two are born the non-first gets Gods attention/favor. So Abel is favored, Isaac over Ishmael, Jacob over Esau and Joseph over his many elder brothers. In a way Earth evens wins out over Heaven given the amount of pages Earth gets.

 

[Fool]

I've noticed a pattern in Genesis which fairly obvious once seen. If two are born the non-first gets Gods attention/favor. So Abel is favored, Isaac over Ishmael, Jacob over Esau and Joseph over his many elder brothers. In a way Earth evens wins out over Heaven given the amount of pages Earth gets.

reminds me of the castor pollux polarities. like the twins adam and eve.

one was a spirit and the other earthly


2351 Adam and Eve as Siamese Twins (N)

 

[sealchan]

reminds me of the castor pollux polarities. like the twins adam and eve.

one was a spirit and the other earthly


2351 Adam and Eve as Siamese Twins (N)

This is my second reference to Ein Soph in a week...need to read me some Kaballah I think...

Thanks!

 

[ObjectOfMercy]

Were they twins and did one represent the positive and the other negative? or dark and light?


were they born of adam or the Lord?

They were both born of Adam, as all men are, but Abel was born of God as all God's elect will be. Cain offered the wrong sacrifice. He didn't offer a blood sacrifice as Abel did. Cain thought he could bring the fruit of his labors to God, and he was rejected. Abel trusted Christ and His sacrifice rather than his own works, therefore his sacrifice was accepted by God.

This is a lesson to all of us. Do not bring your labors to God, but rather trust in the sacrifice of the Lamb of God. Only the blood sacrifice of the Lord Jesus Christ makes us acceptable to God. We that are in Christ are "accepted in the Beloved." God's righteousness is demonstrated in the cross. But all the evil workers (bringing their "good" works) and the will worshipers will be thrust out.

 

[Faithofchristian]

In speaking of Cain and Able, What was the Mark that was put upon Cain and his descendants?
That even to this day, Cain's descendants there's one thing which they still can not do.

They were both born of Adam, as all men are, but Abel was born of God as all God's elect will be. Cain offered the wrong sacrifice. He didn't offer a blood sacrifice as Abel did. Cain thought he could bring the fruit of his labors to God, and he was rejected. Abel trusted Christ and His sacrifice rather than his own works, therefore his sacrifice was accepted by God.

This is a lesson to all of us. Do not bring your labors to God, but rather trust in the sacrifice of the Lamb of God. Only the blood sacrifice of the Lord Jesus Christ makes us acceptable to God. We that are in Christ are "accepted in the Beloved." God's righteousness is demonstrated in the cross. But all the evil workers (bringing their "good" works) and the will worshipers will be thrust out.

Maybe you need to back up and reread
Genesis 3:15 again.
God speaking to the serpent, said that he will put enmity between the serpent seed and the woman's seed.

So the woman ( Eve) had two sons, one being the seed of the serpent and the other being the seed of the woman ( Eve)

Therefore you have Cain the seed of the serpent and Able the seed of the woman

"Not as Cain, who was of that wicked one, and slew his brother. And wherefore slew he him? Because his own works were evil, and his brother's righteous" 1 John 3:12

There you have it, Cain being the seed of the wicked one, the serpent ( Satan)