I did the born again thing when I was 11, but by the time I was 14 I began to have a lot of doubts about the faith. I read the Bible from cover to cover many times, and the more I read it the more like a fairy tale it seemed to be. I questioned the pastor of the Pentecostal church we attended, and his answers made me doubt even more. I lost my faith by the time I married when I was 19, 50 years ago this August. I certainly haven't missed it. I have no problem with moderate, live and let live Christians like our own three daughters, even if I don't see it their way, but I will always challenge Christian extremists, as their garbage can be very harmful and abusive.
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Bringing Christianity into disrepute!
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I did the born again thing when I was 11, but by the time I was 14 I began to have a lot of doubts about the faith. I read the Bible from cover to cover many times, and the more I read it the more like a fairy tale it seemed to be. I questioned the pastor of the Pentecostal church we attended, and his answers made me doubt even more. I lost my faith by the time I married when I was 19, 50 years ago this August. I certainly haven't missed it. I have no problem with moderate, live and let live Christians like our own three daughters, even if I don't see it their way, but I will always challenge Christian extremists, as their garbage can be very harmful and abusive.
BilliardsBall
Veteran Member
1) There are about 50 Westboro "Christians" and about 50,000,000 tolerant Christians in America
2) Jesus was neither with men or women here, besides the obvious, He was engaged to the church and did not cheat on His future bride
3) I don't blame anyone for making others "run to the hills" as you put it, except the runners--I do see a double standard when skeptics dislike substitutionary atonement, claiming it's unjust for us to not be responsible for our own wrongdoing--then blame others for the ultimate wrongdoing of avoiding Christian faith in Christ! Especially since the 50,000,000 are not the 50!
The Jesus of the gospels seems like a very human guy to me, with lots of faults just like the rest of humanity, there is no way he is any sort of god, imo.
Darkforbid
Well-Known Member
About the same as saying 'there are no gay people' Why?
Only anti-gay bigots would have a problem with the idea of Jesus being gay.
Well, to say there are no gay people is like saying there are no birds. Not inflammable, really, just a bit weird.
And incidentally, if there were no gays, then it is no clear why people might find offending to say that Jesus was one. Or it would be as inflammatory as saying Jesus was Superman. So, your explanation seems to defeat your claim.
So, what is the problem to say Jesus was gay? A bit weird, too? Or what exactly?
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Darkforbid
Well-Known Member
No, random speculation about anyones sexuality is distasteful
sojourner
Annoyingly Progressive Since 2006
I’m not an anti-gay bigot, and I have a problem with the idea of Jesus being gay, because it’s an unsupportable idea, based on the facts we have.
Firemorphic
Activist Membrane
Yet you seem to have a problem with the idea that he was married to Mary Magdalene and had lots of kids
There are no actual FACTS about Jesus, the gospel accounts cannot be considered factual as there is no verifiable evidence to support them.
Darkforbid
Well-Known Member
Which piece of atheist propaganda told you that?
Evidence from Tacitus
Evidence from Pliny the Younger
Evidence from Josephus
Evidence from the Babylonian Talmud
Evidence from Lucian (posted below)
The Christians ... worship a man to this day – the distinguished personage who introduced their novel rites, and was crucified on that account.... [It] was impressed on them by their original lawgiver that they are all brothers, from the moment that they are converted, and deny the gods of Greece, and worship the crucified sage, and live after his laws.
There is no excuse for your level of willful ignorance
I certainly wouldn't have a problem if the guy had been married with lots of kids.Yet you seem to have a problem with the idea that he was married to Mary Magdalene and had lots of kids
BilliardsBall
Veteran Member
Oh, which gospels were you reading? The four where He RESURRECTS FROM THE DEAD?
sojourner
Annoyingly Progressive Since 2006
But the stories exist. They’re the only stories we have. None of them would characterize Jesus as homosexual. Those are the facts we know — and they are facts. You’re making the same mistake as the fundigelicals you despise: reading into the stories what is clearly not there.
I only suggested Jesus might be gay as it is stated in the gospels he had a specific disciple whom he loved, who was presumably male.
sojourner
Annoyingly Progressive Since 2006
I get that. That’s been forwarded by many. But I submit that the gospel writers could not have conceived of Jesus being gay. It just wasn’t on their radar.
We don't know for sure what was on their radar.
sojourner
Annoyingly Progressive Since 2006
We know that they had no concept for sexual orientation, because there was no language for it.
We don't know that for sure, obviously there were gays in Biblical times.