TagliatelliMonster
Veteran Member
A clean Brexit isn't, anyway.
I wonder how leavers apparantly never really understood this.
They want to leave the EU customs union and single market, but they don't want to have any borders....
Completely leaving the union, 100%, while NOT being subject to EU regulations etc means a hard border in Ireland. That blows up the Good Friday agreements.
I look at the british leaver politicians and I see that most of them are over 40. I don't know their exact ages, but many have grey hair etc. So many are 50-60. I guess that goes for most "top" politicians. 23 year olds don't start at the top, after all.
Why is this relevant? Well.... The good friday treaty dates from 1998. Meaning that many of them were around 30 at the time. I'ld think that these people especially would understand the sensitivities and implications of this treaty and what it means for border checks.
Yet it seems all of them had a collective case of amnesia.
They don't want a border in Ireland.
They don't want a border down the Irish sea.
They don't want a backstop.
They don't want a Northern Ireland only backstop.
But they want to leave the EU in full.
I mean, what the fudge?
Leaving the EU customs union and the single market inevitably means borders and borders checks.
It means the border in Ireland becomes the new EU outer border.
Didn't these leavers think about this before hand? Or did they and they just don't care to blow up the good friday treaty?
It seems to me that the good friday treaty, literally BLOCKS the UK from leaving the EU.
Blowing up EU membership (in full) inevitably leads to blowing up that treaty. The only reason this treaty was even possible, is because the UK is a EU member. It depends on it.
The UK can not leave the EU customs unions and single market in full, if that treaty needs to be upheld - which it does.
If this treaty didn't exist and there were no "Troubles" in Ireland, the UK would have left long ago. There wouldn't have been a problem. Hard border in Ireland for EU border customs checks and boom, done.
But this isn't possible.
It's not that the UK can't leave the EU per say.
It's that it's bound by another, rather vital, treaty, which seems to depend on the UK being a EU member.
It doesn't look like the UK can fully withdraw from the EU, without blowing up that other treaty.
I'ld like to hear from our british friends here, how they see this impasse...
I wonder how leavers apparantly never really understood this.
They want to leave the EU customs union and single market, but they don't want to have any borders....
Completely leaving the union, 100%, while NOT being subject to EU regulations etc means a hard border in Ireland. That blows up the Good Friday agreements.
I look at the british leaver politicians and I see that most of them are over 40. I don't know their exact ages, but many have grey hair etc. So many are 50-60. I guess that goes for most "top" politicians. 23 year olds don't start at the top, after all.
Why is this relevant? Well.... The good friday treaty dates from 1998. Meaning that many of them were around 30 at the time. I'ld think that these people especially would understand the sensitivities and implications of this treaty and what it means for border checks.
Yet it seems all of them had a collective case of amnesia.
They don't want a border in Ireland.
They don't want a border down the Irish sea.
They don't want a backstop.
They don't want a Northern Ireland only backstop.
But they want to leave the EU in full.
I mean, what the fudge?
Leaving the EU customs union and the single market inevitably means borders and borders checks.
It means the border in Ireland becomes the new EU outer border.
Didn't these leavers think about this before hand? Or did they and they just don't care to blow up the good friday treaty?
It seems to me that the good friday treaty, literally BLOCKS the UK from leaving the EU.
Blowing up EU membership (in full) inevitably leads to blowing up that treaty. The only reason this treaty was even possible, is because the UK is a EU member. It depends on it.
The UK can not leave the EU customs unions and single market in full, if that treaty needs to be upheld - which it does.
If this treaty didn't exist and there were no "Troubles" in Ireland, the UK would have left long ago. There wouldn't have been a problem. Hard border in Ireland for EU border customs checks and boom, done.
But this isn't possible.
It's not that the UK can't leave the EU per say.
It's that it's bound by another, rather vital, treaty, which seems to depend on the UK being a EU member.
It doesn't look like the UK can fully withdraw from the EU, without blowing up that other treaty.
I'ld like to hear from our british friends here, how they see this impasse...