Blasphemy of the Holy Spirit

[RabbiO]

Matthew 12:24 But when the Pharisees heard [it], they said, This [fellow] doth not cast out devils, but by Beelzebub the prince of the devils.
12:30 He that is not with Me is against Me; and he that gathereth not with Me scattereth abroad.
Matthew 23:13 But woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye shut up the kingdom of heaven against men: for ye neither go in [yourselves], neither suffer ye them that are entering to go in.

I'm a little confused.

This is totally non-responsive to my post.

 

[OtherSheep]

So tell me my new friend,

Jesus is God right?

He 's speaking of HIS Sheep right?

So how many different set of Faith beliefs can Jesus {GOD} have?

Blessings,
Patrick

Completely Agreed, because...

John 17:5 "And now, O Father, glorify thou Me with Thine own self with the glory which I had with Thee before the world was.

John 10:14 "I am the good shepherd, and I know My sheep, and am known by Mine, 15 according as the Father doth know Me, and I know the Father, and My life I lay down for the sheep, 16 and other sheep I have that are not of this fold, these also it behoveth Me to bring, and My voice they will hear, and there shall become one flock -- one shepherd."
10:34 Jesus answered them, "Is it not having been written in your law: I said, ye are gods? 35 if them He did call gods unto whom the word of God came, and the Writing is not able to be broken, 36 of Him whom the Father did sanctify, and send to the world, do ye say -- Thou speakest evil, because I said, Son of God I am?"

Matthew 24:35 "Heaven and earth shall pass away, but My words shall not pass away."

Revelation 22:11 He that is unjust, let him be unjust still: and he which is filthy, let him be filthy still: and he that is righteous, let him be righteous still: and he that is holy, let him be holy still. 12 And, behold, I come quickly; and My reward [is] with Me, to give every man according as his work shall be.

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Jesus leaves it up to each of us to decide who we think Jesus is, and even what Son of God means.

But He does NOT leave it up to us to add the members of any other religion to those who are specifically called His sheep.

We have all of the Law, and all of the Prophets, and all of the Kingdom Gospel written by the Disciples who walked with Jesus, including the Revelation... the Two Witnesses of God will be repeating those prophecies, IMHO.
The Spirit of Prophecy is the Testimony of Jesus.

 

[OtherSheep]

I'm a little confused.

This is totally non-responsive to my post.

Jesus is saying that the Pharisees were scattering the sheep by pretending that Jesus drove out demons by the power of demons. Which reflects what Jesus says about the Pharisees stopping the sheep from entering the Kingdom, and not entering in themselves. Here's the proof of what Jesus says:

John 7:48 Have any of the rulers or of the Pharisees believed on Him?
7:52 They answered and said unto him, Art thou also of Galilee? Search, and look: for out of Galilee ariseth no prophet.

"No prophet"... except for Jonah, Micah, Elijah... and Jesus and John.

Revelation 10:11 And he said unto me, Thou must prophesy again before many peoples, and nations, and tongues, and kings.

 

[Kelly of the Phoenix]

Satan was the first and remains the primary instigator of blasphemy (Genesis 3:1-5 / John 8:44-49) for suggesting that God was untruthful.

And yet the bible is lying because Satan isn't in that story AND the serpent was the only one telling the truth because God was lying by omission.

It is believed that men began applying the name of God to men, and/or to idols of worship.

There goes Christianity.

The first case of this happening after the Ten Words were given was when a son of an Israelite woman and an Egyptian man was stoned for abusing the name of God and calling down evil upon it.

And him being a "half-breed", I can imagine what his neighbors did to him on a daily basis that made him snap.

Naboth, though innocent, was convicted of blasphemy and was stoned to death based upon the testimony of false witnesses.

Strange God, the epitome of Truth, didn't say anything to stop it.

Here we learn that people are quick to call anything blasphemy and kill others just because they're slightly annoyed that day.

The importance of the name in the Hebrew Scriptures and among Semitic people should not be overlooked.

I had to laugh when researching for my book using pre-monotheistic Jewish pantheon characters: El and Yahweh and Ba'al all essentially mean god or lord or something similar. For all the mystery and reverence we are to give the "Name", it's funny that He is just called "God". It's like naming your car "Car."

Deuteronomy 23:2 forbids illegitimate children from coming into the congregation.

Because yay, compassion.

Adultery, punishable by the death of the unborn child along with the mother and father, (Leviticus 20:10 / Deuteronomy 22:22) was forbidden due to the breakdown of the family arrangement and would result in the child having no inheritance.

There is really nothing stopping them from claiming such a child could inherit, but the "3rd wheel" couldn't claim that inheritance.

All of this would have a devastating effect upon society.

The more "pious" the people got, the more they were eaten alive from the inside or enslaved by the outside.

For this reason the illegitimate child of David was taken.

And yet God had no problems with tricking a father-in-law into thinking you're a hooker so you can get knocked up. And yet God had no problems with sleeping with a slave to get a kid. And yet God had no problems with ....

Since Jehovah had a Kingdom covenant with David he wasn't put to death. (2 Samuel 7:11-16)

How convenient he was king. It IS good to be the king.

They had no authority from the Romans, however, so they shrewdly changed the charge to sedition.

Why did Stephen get stoned?

Blasphemy against the holy spirit is the only unforgivable sin

And I would argue one breaks this rule when praising as moral that which is objectively NOT and dismissing and persecuting people seen as immoral when they objectively are NOT.

How Baha'is see the Holy Spirit is more similar to the Return of Christ or the next Messiah.

I see it more like the Force. You have many "Force Gods", as it were, but the Force binds all.

Can God accept more than just one set of Faith beliefs? Eph. 4:5

Mark 9:40 NASB
40For he who is not against us is for us.

In John 10, Jesus is the doorway of the sheep, by which we enter and are kept safe.

True, until you remember that shepherds slaughter sheep to eat. It gets darker when you realize how things work on a farm.

Having other gods besides the Father of Jesus is not permitted, because it breaks the first commandment.

It only says you can't have Them before Him. Grammar matters.

Jesus is saying that the Pharisees were scattering the sheep by pretending that Jesus drove out demons by the power of demons.

And as the Messiah he should just be able to call them back. Shouldn't be too difficult.

Jesus acts like some troll could steal his sheep and he'd have to *ugh* go LOOK for them or something. Meanwhile, in another tale, Sun Wukong tries to troll Buddha and leaps off his hand, flying far away, only to discover the mountains where he lands is STILL Buddha's hand. Maybe Jesus should study Buddhism to learn what it really means to be "everything".

 

[OtherSheep]

Religious adherents, Christians included have a long history of misunderstanding what their founders really taught.

Many believe Jews, Christians, and Muslims worship the same God.
What evidence exists that they don’t?

I don't use that label because I don't follow the without-law-gospel.

I follow the Kingdom Gospel of Jesus the Messiah, as written by the Disciples who walked with Jesus for over 3 years, and were told to teach in the nations what Jesus had taught to them.

John 14:15 "If ye love Me, keep My commandments. 16 And I will pray the Father, and He shall give you another Comforter, that He may abide with you for ever; 17 [Even] the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth Him not, neither knoweth Him: but ye know Him; for He dwelleth with you, and shall be in you." [Conditional.]

John 14:6 Jesus saith unto him, "I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by Me." [Neither Jews nor Muslims believe it.]

 

[Kelly of the Phoenix]

I follow the Kingdom Gospel of Jesus the Messiah, as written by the Disciples who walked with Jesus for over 3 years, and were told to teach in the nations what Jesus had taught to them.

But Jesus says they don't understand him. So why should we make the people who flunked the class the leaders?

 

[OtherSheep]

QUOTE="OtherSheep, post: 5700114, member: 64612"]Having other gods besides the Father of Jesus is not permitted, because it breaks the first commandment. Your idea of love isn't the Kingdom Gospel's idea of love.[/QUOTE
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QUOTE="Kelly of the Phoenix, post: 5701471, member: 58387"]
It only says you can't have Them before Him. Grammar matters.
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Thou shalt have no other gods before Me... In other words, no demons standing next to God, not even one of them before the Face of God... It's not a matter of grammar, it's a matter of believing in the Living God... or not.

Pretend that someone read your own books, KotP, and went out and laughed about them, all over the world... and then pretend that you had created that world.

I suggest that you worry less about grammar, and more about content.

Matthew 12:37 "For by thy words thou shalt be justified, and by thy words thou shalt be condemned."

 

[RabbiO]

@OtherSheep -

Which part of my post, #16, did you not understand that you posted two responses that had nothing to do with what I brought up in my post?

 

[Patrick Miron]

Religious adherents, Christians included have a long history of misunderstanding what their founders really taught.

Buddhism aside, Islam and Judaism clearly worship One God who is the Creator of all. Moses was the ‘Friend of God’, Jesus was the ‘Son of God’, and Muhammad was the ‘Messenger of God’. Many believe Jews, Christians, and Muslims worship the same God. What evidence exists that they don’t?

The Holy Personage of Christ has clear association with the ‘Holy Spirit’.Why not Moses or Muhammad?

Hmmm, how about the FACT that they do accept Jesus as GOD for starters

Salom,
Patrick

 

[Faithofchristian]

What is it? Please discuss and provide scripture.
Thanks

Well if a person goes to Mark 13, Christ Jesus tells what the Blasphemy of the Holy Spirit is.
And when it will happen
And by who can commit it.

 

[David1967]

Well if a person goes to Mark 13, Christ Jesus tells what the Blasphemy of the Holy Spirit is.
And when it will happen
And by who can commit it.

And in your opinion when and who? Not much good at guessing. Just interested in your thoughts.

 

[Faithofchristian]

And in your opinion when and who? Not much good at guessing. Just interested in your thoughts.

Nope wrong, it's not my opinion, it's what Christ Jesus has to say, what the Blasphemy of the Holy Spirit is.
And when it will happen
And you can commit it
Christ Jesus fortold in Mark 13

 

[Kenny]

What is it? Please discuss and provide scripture.
Thanks

Heb 6:4 For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost,
5 Andhave tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come,
6 If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance;seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame.

IMV, this is the blaspheming of the Holy Spirit. Someone who had been saved, tasted of Heaven and of the gifts of the Holy Spirit, knows the good word of God and then rejects Jesus.

 

[OtherSheep]

IMV, this is the blaspheming of the Holy Spirit. Someone who had been saved, tasted of Heaven and of the gifts of the Holy Spirit, knows the good word of God and then rejects Jesus.

Why do you reject the definition that Jesus gives us?

 

[David1967]

Heb 6:4 For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost,
5 Andhave tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come,
6 If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance;seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame.

IMV, this is the blaspheming of the Holy Spirit. Someone who had been saved, tasted of Heaven and of the gifts of the Holy Spirit, knows the good word of God and then rejects Jesus.

Thanks for not making me guess @KenS . I appreciate the straight answer.

 

[Kenny]

Why do you reject the definition that Jesus gives us?

which is?

 

[David1967]

which is?

Exactly!!! Don't give scripture with a "guess what" as the answer. That's not useful.

 

[David1967]

Why do you reject the definition that Jesus gives us?

Its not a rejection. It is his view. Another view is that it is giving credit to the devil for the works of God. If the scriptural definition was completely clear to us, we wouldn't have these discussions.

 

[OtherSheep]

QUOTE="OtherSheep, post: 5699608, member: 64612"]
Matthew 12:24 But when the Pharisees heard [it], they said, This [fellow] doth not cast out devils, but by Beelzebub the prince of the devils.

12:28 But if I cast out devils by the Spirit of God, then the kingdom of God is come unto you.

What they were calling Satan was actually the Spirit of God.

http://www.htmlbible.com/sacrednamebiblecom/kjvstrongs/B40C012.htm

Read the conversation, look up a few words in the Greek. It's very enlightening. Pharisee (farasaioi) means wound or scatter (parash in Hebrew). And if you do what I did, you'll look up the Greek word behind scattered (v 30, skorpizei). And then look up the word scorpion (Revelation 9:3). Jesus doesn't woe the Pharisees for no reason at all. And He doesn't warn you away from their leaven without cause, either.[/QUOTE
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QUOTE="RabbiO, post: 5700368, member: 34392"]
The word "Pharisees" comes from the Latin, which in turn comes from the Greek. The Greek word is a word equivalent, not quite a transliteration, of the Hebrew word perushim. Perushim means those who keep separate and derives from a root that means separate.

I do not know if there is a Greek homophone for the Greek term for perushim, that means to wound or scatter, but it would be a mistake to attach its meaning to Pharisees.[/QUOTE
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QUOTE="OtherSheep, post: 5701280, member: 64612"]
Matthew 12:24 But when the Pharisees heard [it], they said, This [fellow] doth not cast out devils, but by Beelzebub the prince of the devils.
12:30 He that is not with Me is against Me; and he that gathereth not with Me scattereth abroad.
Matthew 23:13 But woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye shut up the kingdom of heaven against men: for ye neither go in [yourselves], neither suffer ye them that are entering to go in.[/QUOTE
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QUOTE="RabbiO, post: 5701311, member: 34392"]
I'm a little confused.
This is totally non-responsive to my post.[/QUOTE
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QUOTE="OtherSheep, post: 5701370, member: 64612"]
Jesus is saying that the Pharisees were scattering the sheep by pretending that Jesus drove out demons by the power of demons. Which reflects what Jesus says about the Pharisees stopping the sheep from entering the Kingdom, and not entering in themselves. Here's the proof of what Jesus says:

John 7:48 Have any of the rulers or of the Pharisees believed on Him?
7:52 They answered and said unto him, Art thou also of Galilee? Search, and look: for out of Galilee ariseth no prophet.

"No prophet"... except for Jonah, Micah, Elijah... and Jesus and John.

Revelation 10:11 And he said unto me, Thou must prophesy again before many peoples, and nations, and tongues, and kings.[/QUOTE
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QUOTE="RabbiO, post: 5701808, member: 34392"]@OtherSheep -
Which part of my post, #16, did you not understand that you posted two responses that had nothing to do with what I brought up in my post?[/QUOTE
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Matthew 15:9 "But in vain they do worship Me, teaching [for] doctrines the commandments of men."

Isaiah 29:13 "And the Lord has said, This people draw nigh to Me with their mouth, and they honour Me with their lips, but their heart is far from Me: but in vain do they worship Me, teaching the commandments and doctrines of men."--Septuagint

 

[OtherSheep]

Its not a rejection. It is his view. Another view is that it is giving credit to the devil for the works of God. If the scriptural definition was completely clear to us, we wouldn't have these discussions.

If not for all of the without-law apostacy staring us in the face... sheeple, having been commanded by men what we are to believe about God... I mean your so-called Bible canon.

The canon is the whole problem. And it seems to have been put into place for the express purpose of keeping Gentiles/Israel out of the Kingdom of Heaven.