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My question was not, "Why do you believe it?", I already knew that.
It was," Why should I believe that?"
I don't find you particularly an authority on reality. Quite the opposite, actually.
Same with Genesis, the God image in Genesis is extremely different from the ineffable Trinity of standard Christianity. This sort of internal inconsistency is proof(compelling evidence) to me that the Bible is fiction, nothing to do with God.
Tom
Big gods came after the rise of civilisations, not before, finds study using huge historical database
Interesting. Please discuss.
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It's not an unanswerable question.OK, did God(s) create us humans of did us humans create God(s)?
Tell me, how does one actually objectively test this out?
My point: it's an unanswerable question even though probably most people have an "answer".
Which is why I put "answer" the way I did.It's not an unanswerable question.
Ask a Muslim where Zeus from. Ask a Christian where Shiva came from. Ask a Jew where Thor came from.
Religionists are experts at explaining that gods are fiction.
Tom
I don't have the slightest difficulty answering that question.To me, it's like trying to answer this question: "Are we part of a multiverse or is there just our own universe?". I'm sure a lot of people have "answers" for that, but what exactly are those "answers" based on?
It's not an unanswerable question.
Ask a Muslim where Zeus from. Ask a Christian where Shiva came from. Ask a Jew where Thor came from.
Religionists are experts at explaining that gods are fiction.
Tom
All that means is that the authors of Genesis weren't monotheistic."Come, let US go down and confuse their language so they will not understand one another."
Once more, the personal pronoun "us" is used as a reference to God. Note that in verse 11:5 it is "the Lord" that is referred to when "us" is later used ("The Lord came down to see the city").
All that means is that the authors of Genesis weren't monotheistic.
They believed in many gods.
It's called henotheism, in modern English.
The language you're reading Genesis in.
Tom
Correct.Not monotheism. It's ONE GOD, manifested in three persons - referred to as the "God" of Israel.
Incorrect.Correct.
Neither Genesis nor Christianity are monotheistic.
Tom
The Word of God in Genesis refutes you. God created mankind.
OK, did God(s) create us humans of did us humans create God(s)?
Tell me, how does one actually objectively test this out?
My point: it's an unanswerable question even though probably most people have an "answer".
To me, it's like trying to answer this question: "Are we part of a multiverse or is there just our own universe?". I'm sure a lot of people have "answers" for that, but what exactly are those "answers" based on?
Just because people may create god(s) doesn't in any way provide evidence there aren't any. In science, we don't deal with such matters since it's beyond our ability to observe or test.Well, we have plenty of demonstrable, even observed, examples of humans creating gods.
But we have no examples of any god(s) creating anything at all. Or examples of gods, full stop.
It might be "unanswerable" if a requirement for the answer is absolute conclusive certainty.
But in that case, pretty much everything is "unanswerable".
But if the answer can be a tentative position based on the evidence, then the reasonable answer is that man creates gods and not the other way round, as that is the only thing that the evidence actually supports and suggests.
"Motivation" and $5 can get you a coffee at Starbucks. "Motivation" is not "evidence".While neither the supernatural nore the multi-verse can be directly tested, the difference is that the idea of a multi-verse is well motivated.
I agree, but just because it's compatible with q.m. doesn't mean it's actually true.It just so happens that when you work out the mathematical models, a prediction of a multi-verse naturally flows from that model.
I never posited that they're in the "same category", only that it is virtually impossible to provide evidence that there cannot be any deities.The important point though, is that these are not claims of the same category.
OK, did God(s) create us humans of did us humans create God(s)?
One could take that tact if they want to, but my question and point still stands, namely that we do not have evidence that there is or are not any deities, and what one may believe one way or the other is not evidence.But "religion" is not "God(s)" -- it is, at best, a perception, of God(s) and the codification of inferences derived therefrom. Your question strikes me as a poorly worded false dilemma.