Big blunder by the Institute for Creation Research

[shawn001]

How did they survive? New research shows Jordanian city survived climate change disaster 4,200 years ago

By History of the Ancient World
– February 15, 2011

"An ancient metropolis
Archaeological work shows that people were living at Tall el-Hammam at least as far back as 6,000 years ago.
By the time the climate disaster hit, nearly 4,200 years ago, the city supported a population of between 15,000 to 25,000 people living in or nearby.
The team believes that it was the centre of a small kingdom ruled by a king. The city certainly had its share of amenities. A 100 meter by 100 meter raised platform served as the main hub of the city, containing temples and administrative buildings.
The city was protected by a massive fortification system with walls that Collins said were “about six meters thick and would have been about three times that high.” These fortifications had somewhere between 15 and 20 gates, giving outsiders access to the settlement.
Domestic residences in the city were modest. Built of mud brick, they had stone foundations and walls that were half a meter thick. Archaeological work suggests that these houses were reused and modified over a vast amount of time. One residence the team found was used from between 4,600 and 3,600 years ago, with modifications being made occasionally."

How did they survive? New research shows Jordanian city survived climate change disaster 4,200 years ago

wasn't 4200 years ago here.

 

[JustWondering2]

Can you say "I'm going to stick my head in the sand and ignore the truth maybe it'll just go away" Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah I can't hear you!

 

[outhouse]

LOL that is all from the drought that hit the area and collapsed the two major powers in the levant.

just the opposite of a flood.

 

[javajo]

How did they survive? New research shows Jordanian city survived climate change disaster 4,200 years ago

By History of the Ancient World
– February 15, 2011

"An ancient metropolis
Archaeological work shows that people were living at Tall el-Hammam at least as far back as 6,000 years ago.
By the time the climate disaster hit, nearly 4,200 years ago, the city supported a population of between 15,000 to 25,000 people living in or nearby.
The team believes that it was the centre of a small kingdom ruled by a king. The city certainly had its share of amenities. A 100 meter by 100 meter raised platform served as the main hub of the city, containing temples and administrative buildings.
The city was protected by a massive fortification system with walls that Collins said were “about six meters thick and would have been about three times that high.” These fortifications had somewhere between 15 and 20 gates, giving outsiders access to the settlement.
Domestic residences in the city were modest. Built of mud brick, they had stone foundations and walls that were half a meter thick. Archaeological work suggests that these houses were reused and modified over a vast amount of time. One residence the team found was used from between 4,600 and 3,600 years ago, with modifications being made occasionally."

How did they survive? New research shows Jordanian city survived climate change disaster 4,200 years ago

wasn't 4200 years ago here.

So, ok. I googled tall-el-hammam, just out of curiosity, and this is the first thing that came up. These cats say its very old, but not as old as your paste says. They even think some of the cities might be Sodom and Gomorrah. Far out, huh? (I know you may think, really far out there) I haven't examined it deeply, and I wouldn't debate it without further research but it just goes to show there is a lot of he said she said on the net. (I know the net is for porn, not research) But, just sayin', and sorry I posted on the scientific forum. I'm logging out for the night, time to chill. Peace! Tall el-Hammam 2008: A Personal Perspective

 

[outhouse]

So, ok. I googled tall-el-hammam, just out of curiosity, and this is the first thing that came up. These cats say its very old, but not as old as your paste says. They even think some of the cities might be Sodom and Gomorrah. Far out, huh? (I know you may think, really far out there) I haven't examined it deeply, and I wouldn't debate it without further research but it just goes to show there is a lot of he said she said on the net. (I know the net is for porn, not research) But, just sayin', and sorry I posted on the scientific forum. I'm logging out for the night, time to chill. Peace! Tall el-Hammam 2008: A Personal Perspective

You will never find the truth digging in a religious website.

If you tried a non biased source you will get closer to finding the truth of history.

that site is biased

 

[Agnostic75]

So, ok. I googled tall-el-hammam, just out of curiosity, and this is the first thing that came up. These cats say its very old, but not as old as your paste says. They even think some of the cities might be Sodom and Gomorrah. Far out, huh? (I know you may think, really far out there.)

If Sodom and Gomorrah existed, that would not be far out at all since many religious books mention real cities, and real people. Virtually all skeptic historians believe that King Nebuchadnezzar existed, but they do not believe that he ate grass with cows as the BIble claims. It is not uncommon for religious writers to write about real people and places, and add false supernatural claims to their writings.

Now then, can we get back to the opening post, which is about the global flood? The global flood provides exceptionally good evidence that a global flood violates the laws of gravity. I gave many examples of this in my thread on the sorting of fossils and sediments. I like the topic of the sorting of fossils and sediments because it give many examples that creationists cannot explain, and because even laymen like me can understand a lot about that topic. Just plain old common sense indicates that if you mix heavy sediments with light sediments in water, and stir the water, the lighter sediments have to end up on top. There is not any other way to sort sediments according to the laws of gravity. All over the world, the sorting of fossils and sediments shows that a global flood violates the laws of gravity.

The sorting of fossils and sediments is only one of many areas of geology that disprove the global flood theory. You can use whatever theological evidence that you want, but as far as geology is concerned, no reputable geologist would use a religious book as his primary basis for studying geology. That would be using geology only as a convenience, which would be intellectually dishonest, and would make a mockery out of science.

 

[shawn001]

Javajo, why do humans still have Neandertal DNA in them?

 

[outhouse]

Javajo, why do humans still have Neandertal DNA in them?

Not all do I believe LOL

 

[shawn001]

Not all do I believe LOL

Neanderthals, Humans Interbred, DNA Proves

A newly mapped Neanderthal genome reveals that between 1-4 percent of DNA of many humans today came from Neanderthals.


THE GIST

• A newly mapped Neanderthal genome provides strong evidence that humans and Neanderthals interbred.
• Between 1-4 percent of the DNA of many humans living today likely came from Neanderthals.
• People of European and Asian heritage are most likely to carry the Neanderthal genes.

It's official: Most of us are part Neanderthal. The first draft sequence of the Neanderthal genome has provided the strongest evidence yet that modern humans and Neanderthals interbred and that all non-Africans today have Neanderthal gene fragments in their genetic codes.

Neanderthals, Humans Interbred, DNA Proves : Discovery News


Others have Denisovan


First it was the earliest Europeans and Neanderthals. Now it appears that modern humans in Southeast Asia also became intimate with their prehistoric relatives.
About one percent of the genetic makeup of people from southern China and the surrounding region comes from an extinct group of humans dubbed the Denisovans, a new study says.
Considered by some to be a sort of sister species to the Neanderthals, the Denisovans—who may have represented an entirely separate human species—are largely a mystery, though they're thought to have had big teeth.
The latest find suggests that the two human types mated and bore offspring, and their descendants are still alive today in mainland Asia.
The new study is based on DNA extracted from a 40,000-year-old Denisovan finger bone discovered in Siberian Russia's Altai Mountains in 2008.
A previous study, published by the journal Nature in 2010, investigated the same fossil finger's DNA and found that people indigenous to Papua New Guinea and other Melanesian islands share 4 to 6 percent of their ancestry with the archaic human.

Asians, Too, Mated With Archaic Humans, DNA Hints

 

[outhouse]

Neanderthals, Humans Interbred, DNA Proves

A newly mapped Neanderthal genome reveals that between 1-4 percent of DNA of many humans today came from Neanderthals.



THE GIST

• A newly mapped Neanderthal genome provides strong evidence that humans and Neanderthals interbred.
• Between 1-4 percent of the DNA of many humans living today likely came from Neanderthals.
• People of European and Asian heritage are most likely to carry the Neanderthal genes.

It's official: Most of us are part Neanderthal. The first draft sequence of the Neanderthal genome has provided the strongest evidence yet that modern humans and Neanderthals interbred and that all non-Africans today have Neanderthal gene fragments in their genetic codes.

Neanderthals, Humans Interbred, DNA Proves : Discovery News


Others have Denisovan


First it was the earliest Europeans and Neanderthals. Now it appears that modern humans in Southeast Asia also became intimate with their prehistoric relatives.
About one percent of the genetic makeup of people from southern China and the surrounding region comes from an extinct group of humans dubbed the Denisovans, a new study says.
Considered by some to be a sort of sister species to the Neanderthals, the Denisovans—who may have represented an entirely separate human species—are largely a mystery, though they're thought to have had big teeth.
The latest find suggests that the two human types mated and bore offspring, and their descendants are still alive today in mainland Asia.
The new study is based on DNA extracted from a 40,000-year-old Denisovan finger bone discovered in Siberian Russia's Altai Mountains in 2008.
A previous study, published by the journal Nature in 2010, investigated the same fossil finger's DNA and found that people indigenous to Papua New Guinea and other Melanesian islands share 4 to 6 percent of their ancestry with the archaic human.

Asians, Too, Mated With Archaic Humans, DNA Hints

Love your work brother but it does state [non africans] thats "not all" homo sapiens

 

[shawn001]

Love your work brother but it does state [non africans] thats "not all" homo sapiens

Thanks

I know

"and that all non-Africans today have Neanderthal gene fragments in their genetic codes."

Others in Asia seem to have Denisovan.

Not everyone, but a lot and how did it get there. Because of evolution of course.

 

[shawn001]

Here's another one

One Common Ancestor Behind Blue Eyes


People with blue eyes have a single, common ancestor, according to new research.
A team of scientists has tracked down a genetic mutation that leads to blue eyes. The mutation occurred between 6,000 and 10,000 years ago. Before then, there were no blue eyes.
"Originally, we all had brown eyes," said Hans Eiberg from the Department of Cellular and Molecular Medicine at the University of Copenhagen.
The mutation affected the so-called OCA2 gene, which is involved in the production of melanin, the pigment that gives color to our hair, eyes and skin.



"A genetic mutation affecting the OCA2 gene in our chromosomes resulted in the creation of a 'switch,' which literally 'turned off' the ability to produce brown eyes," Eiberg said.

One Common Ancestor Behind Blue Eyes | LiveScience

 

[outhouse]

That sure is alot of evidence for creationist to ignore Shawn

 

[not nom]

Here's another one

One Common Ancestor Behind Blue Eyes


People with blue eyes have a single, common ancestor, according to new research.
A team of scientists has tracked down a genetic mutation that leads to blue eyes. The mutation occurred between 6,000 and 10,000 years ago. Before then, there were no blue eyes.
"Originally, we all had brown eyes," said Hans Eiberg from the Department of Cellular and Molecular Medicine at the University of Copenhagen.
The mutation affected the so-called OCA2 gene, which is involved in the production of melanin, the pigment that gives color to our hair, eyes and skin.



"A genetic mutation affecting the OCA2 gene in our chromosomes resulted in the creation of a 'switch,' which literally 'turned off' the ability to produce brown eyes," Eiberg said.

One Common Ancestor Behind Blue Eyes | LiveScience

Adam?! this offers staggering possibilities for racists, especially nazis :areyoucra (just don't tell them that eye color means nothing in the greater scheme of things... or do tell them, it's not like they'll remember that for longer than half a second anyway)

 

[Photonic]

Adam?! this offers staggering possibilities for racists, especially nazis :areyoucra (just don't tell them that eye color means nothing in the greater scheme of things... or do tell them, it's not like they'll remember that for longer than half a second anyway)

How did you get Adam out of that?

 

[not nom]

How did you get Adam out of that?

6000+- years of course! though I didn't really get adam out of that, I put adam into it

 

[Photonic]

6000+- years of course! though I didn't really get adam out of that, I put adam into it

Yea, seems like what someone would associate blue eyes with.

Never mind the notion that Adam and Eve were the origin of ALL humans in the Bible.

 

[gnostic]

At no time did a global flood occurred at any time in the history (and prehistory) of man. No evidences support a biblical Noah's Flood.

The biblical Flood is just a borrowing of Babylonian myths (late 2nd millennium BCE or early 1st millennium BCE), which first originated in Sumer, in the late 3rd millennium BCE.

The Levant have been a stopping point or trade route between east (like Mesopotamian civilisation) and west (Egyptian civilisation). The Levant civilisations (Canaanites, Phoenicians, and later Israelites) would have certainly heard tales (myths) from their neighbors. The Phoenician cities were ancient seafaring nations (nations because each city had their own king).

I am mentioning this because, fragments of Gilgamesh epic can be found in several Levant towns, including Megiddo and Ugarit about the mid-2nd millennium BCE, centuries before the supposed Exodus and the (united) kingdom of Israel. The epic of Gilgamesh, and most likely other myths, have even found its way to Egypt (some fragments were also found in Amarna (Egyptian Akhetaten), Akhenaten's capital. And in 2nd millennium BCE, the epic of Gilgamesh was favorite myth for scribe schools in Bronze Age Babylonia.

 

[not nom]

Never mind the notion that Adam and Eve were the origin of ALL humans in the Bible.

so where did cain's wife come from (she's just mentioned out of thin air lol)? and who would see the sign on his forehead telling them to not kill him? at best that means people who came before weren't considered humans, but still good enough to **** and have children with, and a nuisance when they murder. other than that, "why even mention them".

 

[Krok]

so where did cain's wife come from (she's just mentioned out of thin air lol)? and who would see the sign on his forehead telling them to not kill him? at best that means people who came before weren't considered humans, but still good enough to **** and have children with, and a nuisance when they murder. other than that, "why even mention them".

Let's have a look what creation "science" has to say about Cain.

After a long word salad, it boils down to this:

Scripture doesn’t tell us how many children were born to Adam and Eve, but considering their long life spans (Adam lived for 930 years—Genesis 5:5), it would seem logical to suggest there were many. Remember, they were commanded to “be fruitful, and multiply” (Genesis 1:28).

Also

Thus, Cain’s wife is a descendant of Adam/man. Therefore, she had to be his sister (or possibly niece). Hebrew readers should be able to make this connection easier; however, much is lost when translated.

Basically, it boils down to Adam and Eve had lots of children, they all screwed around and Cain could have fathered children with his sisters or possibly his own mother.

I wonder if creation "science" sees incest as a sin, unacceptable or even wrong at all? It makes me puke.