Big blunder by the Institute for Creation Research

[Agnostic75]

Much Evidence Exists for a Worldwide Flood

Geological strata and their contained marine fossils provide critical evidence that the ocean once covered the continents, even the highest continental areas.

Regarding "the ocean once covered the continents, even the highest continental areas," as one skeptic said at another website, since mountains rose from sea level, it would be quite surprising if there "were not" any fossils and sediments on the tops of mountains.

Consider the following:

Leonardo da Vinci

In Leonardo's day there were several hypotheses of how it was that shells and other living creatures were found in rocks on the tops of mountans. Some believed the shells to have been carried there by the Biblical Flood; others thought that these shells had grown in the rocks. Leonardo had no patience with either hypothesis, and refuted both using his careful observations. Concerning the second hypothesis, he wrote that "such an opinion cannot exist in a brain of much reason; because here are the years of their growth, numbered on their shells, and there are large and small ones to be seen which could not have grown without food, and could not have fed without motion -- and here they could not move." There was every sign that these shells had once been living organisms. What about the Great Flood mentioned in the Bible? Leonardo doubted the existence of a single worldwide flood, noting that there would have been no place for the water to go when it receded. He also noted that "if the shells had been carried by the muddy deluge they would have been mixed up, and separated from each other amidst the mud, and not in regular steps and layers -- as we see them now in our time." He noted that rain falling on mountains rushed downhill, not uphill, and suggested that any Great Flood would have carried fossils away from the land, not towards it. He described sessile fossils such as oysters and corals, and considered it impossible that one flood could have carried them 300 miles inland, or that they could have crawled 300 miles in the forty days and nights of the Biblical flood.
How did those shells come to lie at the tops of mountains? Leonardo's answer was remarkably close to the modern one: fossils were once-living organisms that had been buried at a time before the mountains were raised: "it must be presumed that in those places there were sea coasts, where all the shells were thrown up, broken, and divided. . ." Where there is now land, there was once ocean. It was possible, Leonardo thought, that some fossils were buried by floods -- this idea probably came from his observations of the floods of the Arno River and other rivers of north Italy -- but these floods had been repeated, local catastrophes, not a single Great Flood. To Leonardo da Vinci, as to modern paleontologists, fossils indicated the history of the Earth, which extends far beyond human records. As Leonardo himself wrote:

"Since things are much more ancient than letters, it is no marvel if, in our day, no records exist of these seas having covered so many countries.......But sufficient for us is the testimony of things created in the salt waters, and found again in high mountains far from the seas."

If the global flood story is true, it is quite odd that as Noah's descendants
repopulated the world, the ones who moved far away did not leave any surviving records about a man named Noah, and the mountains of Ararat. It is well-known that stories can easily be transmitted verbally over many centuries, and later be written down. Surely a story as important as the flood story would have survived, and would have been recorded many times. The same goes for the story of the Ten Plagues in Egypt. If such extraordinary events were true, they surely would have been recorded
by historians in the Middle East, and beyond, especially since travellers and traders were always travelling to and from Egypt.

 

[Kilgore Trout]

Their existence is a blunder.

 

[outhouse]

Not to mention not a break in habitation in so much as a village in china over the past 10,000 years lol

 

[shawn001]

"
Geological strata and their contained marine fossils provide critical evidence that the ocean once covered the continents, even the highest continental areas."

This is such bull its unreal and heance why I posted about plate tectonics and mentioned they try to use the flood to explain marine fossils at high elevations. When it fact it was uplife from plate tectonics. Funny how they left all that research out.

 

[shawn001]

Everest is the tallest of many extraordinarily high peaks in the Himalayas, including neighboring Lhotse (27,890 feet, 8516 m) and Nuptse (25,790 feet, 7885 m). The mountain range was formed when a large land mass broke off from Africa roughly 200 million years ago and was carried by plate tectonics across what is now the Indian Ocean. When this land mass came close to Asia, it started to push up the land ahead of it, forming a large shallow ocean with rich ocean life. The bones and shells of the plants and animals in this shallow ocean formed limestone and left fossils. As the land mass continued to plow north and collide with Asia, the ocean was slowly raised up and drained, eventually being lifted up to form the Himalayan Mountains. The land mass, which is still moving north and forcing the land ahead of it upwards, is known as the Indian subcontinent. The presence of limestone and ocean marine fossils at the top of these mountains is one of the key pieces of evidence cited that advanced the idea of plate tectonics (large chunks of the Earth’s surface moving over molten rock in the Earth’s core) when it was first proposed as a theory in 1915.

Mt. Everest : Image of the Day

Some of these fossils come from different geological time periods. We can find fossils in one part of florida that are also found in one part of Africa, because the continents use to be connected.

 

[shawn001]

One of their biggest blunder was Cdesign left in a document.

But

Intelligent Design: Scientifically and Religiously Bankrupt


Michael Zimmerman, Ph.D.: Intelligent Design: Scientifically and Religiously Bankrupt


Intelligent Design belittles God, Vatican director says

Intelligent Design belittles God, Vatican director says - U.s. - Catholic Online

 

[javajo]

Maybe it was cataclysmic flood and cataclysmic plate tectonics which resulted from all the volcanic activity and the breaking up of the fountains of the great deep.

 

[Kilgore Trout]

Maybe it was cataclysmic flood and cataclysmic plate tectonics which resulted from all the volcanic activity and the breaking up of the fountains of the great deep.

No, it wasn't.

 

[javajo]

No, it wasn't.

I said maybe. I wasn't there.

 

[Kilgore Trout]

I said maybe. I wasn't there.

You didn't have to be there. It wasn't.

 

[javajo]

You didn't have to be there. It wasn't.

I just believe the Biblical account.

 

[Kilgore Trout]

I just believe the Biblical account.

As is your right. People believe all sorts of incorrect things.

 

[javajo]

As is your right. People believe all sorts of incorrect things.

Yes, they do.

 

[Agnostic75]

Maybe it was cataclysmic flood and cataclysmic plate tectonics which resulted from all the volcanic activity and the breaking up of the fountains of the great deep.

Regarding this thread, the Institute for Creation Reserach made a ridiculous blunder since just a modest amount of common sense indicates that since mountains rose from sea level, it would be quite surprising if fossils and sediments "were not" found on the tops of mountains.

 

[javajo]

Regarding this thread, the Institute for Creation Reserach made a ridiculous blunder since just a modest amount of common sense indicates that since mountains rose from sea level, it would be quite surprising if fossils and sediments "were not" found on the tops of mountains.

I believe the earth was covered with water in the beginning, before there were sea creatures. Then the land was formed, then all the creatures made. So there were small hills before the flood, but when the flood came the combination of all the water, the volcanic and geologic activity and moving plates and quakes and all shook things up pretty good and all those sea creatures and all the others were deposited rapidly with the sediment and as the flood resided the sea bottoms cooled and sank and the mountains were formed by all the tectonic and other activity and the sea creatures are found on the mountains. The layers or bands of sediment were soft because many are folded like curvy, and only soft material would do that.

 

[Agnostic75]

Regarding this thread, the Institute for Creation Reserach made a ridiculous blunder since just a modest amount of common sense indicates that since mountains rose from sea level, it would be quite surprising if fossils and sediments "were not" found on the tops of mountains.

I believe the earth was covered with water in the beginning, before there were sea creatures. Then the land was formed, then all the creatures made. So there were small hills before the flood, but when the flood came the combination of all the water, the volcanic and geologic activity and moving plates and quakes and all shook things up pretty good and all those sea creatures and all the others were deposited rapidly with the sediment and as the flood resided the sea bottoms cooled and sank and the mountains were formed by all the tectonic and other activity and the sea creatures are found on the mountains. The layers or bands of sediment were soft because many are folded like curvy, and only soft material would do that.

But for purposes of this thread, if a global flood did not occur, we would quite naturally expect to finds fossils and sediments on the tops of mountains since mountains rose up from the oceans, and some of the fossils and sediments would have reached the tops of mountains.

At any rate, the sorting of fossils and sediments, which I started another thread about, absolutely leaves no doubt that a global flood did not occur.

 

[Revoltingest]

Strange.
As I recall, the ICR was once world "headquartered" in a little ranchburger house in my town.
I felt so blessed.

 

[javajo]

But for purposes of this thread, if a global flood did not occur, we would quite naturally expect to finds fossils and sediments on the tops of mountains since mountains rose up from the oceans, and some of the fossils and sediments would have reached the tops of mountains.

At any rate, the sorting of fossils and sediments, which I started another thread about, absolutely leaves no doubt that a global flood did not occur.

I don't believe the mountains came from the oceans when there was life in them but before then. If God separated the land and the water on the third day, there wouldn't be sea creatures on the mountains. Then once the world was flooded and the big mountains were formed in accordance with God's promise not to destroy the world by flood again, the sea creatures were deposited and formed fossils due to the rapid deposit of the sediment of the flood.

 

[camanintx]

I don't believe the mountains came from the oceans when there was life in them but before then. If God separated the land and the water on the third day, there wouldn't be sea creatures on the mountains. Then once the world was flooded and the big mountains were formed in accordance with God's promise not to destroy the world by flood again, the sea creatures were deposited and formed fossils due to the rapid deposit of the sediment of the flood.

Nice theory if you want to ignore most of the evidence. Why are the fossils at the top of the mountain older than ones found further down?

 

[not nom]

I believe the earth was covered with water in the beginning, before there were sea creatures. Then the land was formed, then all the creatures made. So there were small hills before the flood, but when the flood came the combination of all the water, the volcanic and geologic activity and moving plates and quakes and all shook things up pretty good and all those sea creatures and all the others were deposited rapidly with the sediment and as the flood resided the sea bottoms cooled and sank and the mountains were formed by all the tectonic and other activity and the sea creatures are found on the mountains. The layers or bands of sediment were soft because many are folded like curvy, and only soft material would do that.

"as the flood resided" -- where to? such a flood is not physically possible, so if you're going to assume it anyway, why even bother constructing a chain of logic based on it..