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Bible and the Quaran - same god

jewscout

Religious Zionist
ProfLogic said:
Just keep trying... By the way I saw that in Judaism... Jesus is the false prophet. Any evidence on this?
a false messiah, one of many, if you believe Jesus actually existed.
for Judaism the figure of jesus is a non-issue, he doesn't matter to anything that has to do w/ Judaism.
 

Laila

Active Member
ProfLogic said:
What is the definition of the god's paradaise in the Quaran.. Is that the 70 virgins description? In the old days translation I always thought virgins are reflective of women.

Wishful thinking for the men maybe!!

Heaven - The Quran states the word 'hoor' (you will be rewarded with hoor's) which means a being with big, beautiful eyes. Unfortunately 'hoor' is mistranslated as a virgin. It's an analogy to describe a pure and beautiful spirit - both men and women are rewarded with the same. Since we don't know what form we will be in, in the hereafter it is absurd to make direct comparisons with this life.

However, heaven is what the eyes could never imagine, so I guess it's a cool place in comparison to hell which is described as a burning fire.

As far as I'm aware, in Islam, there are only 2 things which God will not forgive. One is associating partners with God and the other is idol worshipping.
 

Laila

Active Member
Jerrell said:
Those who actually know less than they think abd the Christian and Moslem God, say they are the same God.
The Attributes are totally diffrent, they do totally diffrent things.

The God of Christianity
1) He calls only Jewsih Prophets
2) He chose the Jewish Poeple
2) He has a Son

The God of Islam
1) He called a Pagan Arab
2)He chose the Arab People
3) He has no son

God is only one regardless of whether you believe in Christianity, Islam or Hinduism. There are many differences between these faiths, the former two have more in common than the later. However, that's besides the point. Let us put our differences to one side (God will be the judge of that - so if you're comfortable with your faith have no fear), there can only be one God, there is no God except for THE GOD.
 
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angellous_evangellous

Guest
ProfLogic said:
People have been debating who is right and wrong religion for ages. Holy wars had been staged due to the beliefs that people see in their holy books. Bible origin is much of a mystery and the Quaran can be traced to the original prophet. Could it be the same self proclaimed bible god that found a different set of individuals that is more worthy than the ancient Hebrews? The last time any sign of the self proclaimed bible god communication to the believers of the bible was during jesus' and the apostles time and the quaran was a believe 600 years after... Why can't it be the same self proclaimed bible god that decided to have a covenant with the Quaran's prophet?

Don't neglect these if you actually want to know anything about Qumran: http://www.religiousforums.com/forum/showthread.php?t=38932.
 

Laila

Active Member
Jerrell said:
Those who actually know less than they think abd the Christian and Moslem God, say they are the same God.
The Attributes are totally diffrent, they do totally diffrent things.

The God of Christianity
1) He calls only Jewsih Prophets
2) He chose the Jewish Poeple
2) He has a Son

The God of Islam
1) He called a Pagan Arab
2)He chose the Arab People
3) He has no son

No. 2 is a misconception. Islam was chosen for all mankind and that is why Jews and Christians (Judiastics - I think that is the correct terminology), many did accept Islam as they recognised the signs.
 

ProfLogic

Well-Known Member
Ezzedean said:
I've always believed they were the same God... it's Christians who don't believe it's the case.

You are not the first Muslim that said this to me... You seem to be correct on the christian perspective because I haven' heard any one say they are the same god. One muslim said its the same god to him and it did not make a difference. Now in history, at least twice Muslims, Christians and Jews were allowed to stay in the same place ad worship whoever they believe is their god/religion. However it seems that when the moors has lost their grip in one instance, the idea of unity even though there are various religions was not welcomed. This seems to make your statement accurate.
 

ProfLogic

Well-Known Member
jewscout said:
a false messiah, one of many, if you believe Jesus actually existed.
for Judaism the figure of jesus is a non-issue, he doesn't matter to anything that has to do w/ Judaism.

If jesus did exist, it might actually make sense that he was punished since people believe he was a false prophet...during his time... are there any writings in Judaism that might support this?
 

jewscout

Religious Zionist
ProfLogic said:
If jesus did exist, it might actually make sense that he was punished since people believe he was a false prophet...during his time... are there any writings in Judaism that might support this?

he wasn't a false prophet
you could claim he was a false messiah
what supports this is that he never fulfilled the mission, from a traditional jewish perspective, of the role of Moshiach

from a jewish perspective, at best he was some poor jewish boy who ticked off Rome and was excuted like many other jewish boys of his time, at worst...he's a figment of someone's imagination. either way, he's a non-issue for us.
 

ProfLogic

Well-Known Member
jewscout said:
he wasn't a false prophet
you could claim he was a false messiah
what supports this is that he never fulfilled the mission, from a traditional jewish perspective, of the role of Moshiach

from a jewish perspective, at best he was some poor jewish boy who ticked off Rome and was excuted like many other jewish boys of his time, at worst...he's a figment of someone's imagination. either way, he's a non-issue for us.

What's a good informative site on judaism that explains its history and views of their god?
 

writer

Active Member
53 Abraham the main source. Which means the OT and NT and Torah and Quaran came from the same self proclaimed god.
The NT's fulfillment of the OT, as far as writings go. And of course duz not contradict it. The Quaran contradicts both OT and N; and, following them by 2,100-1,000 and 500 years respectively; and given the historical context of its creation; it's its own kind of counterfeit

54 the Koran often refers to other Abrahamic prophets. Now, why would they talk about prophets of a God they don't believe in unless they're trying to denounce them?
Cuz, in that way, it attempts to usurp them and their authority

Muslims, Christians, and Jews all worship the same God
Only one God. Which's not to say people are'ncapable of misrepresentin Him
 

Laila

Active Member
writer said:
<53 Abraham the main source. Which means the OT and NT and Torah and Quaran came from the same self proclaimed god.>
The NT's fulfillment of the OT, as far as writings go. And of course duz not contradict it. The Quaran contradicts both OT and N; and, following them by 2,100-1,000 and 500 years respectively; and given the historical context of its creation; it's its own kind of counterfeit

<54 the Koran often refers to other Abrahamic prophets. Now, why would they talk about prophets of a God they don't believe in unless they're trying to denounce them?>
Becuz, in that way, it attempts to usurp them and their authority

<Muslims, Christians, and Jews all worship the same God.>
There's only one God. Which's not to say people are'ncapable of misrepresentin Him

I totally agree with you.
 

spacemonkey

Pneumatic Spiritualist
writer said:
There's only one God. Which's not to say people are'ncapable of misrepresentin Him

And who exactly is or isn't "misrepresentin Him" ? How can someone say they are right and the other is wrong when talking about a matter of faith and not fact? It seems to me that just about every religion (including ancient pagan polytheism) tell the same stories that contain the same message, one that is completely missed when people fight over the minute details.
 

writer

Active Member
57 who exactly is or isn't "misrepresentin Him" ?
Mohammed, who is deceased, misrepresented Him. As duz his Koran


How can someone say they are right and the other is wrong when talking about a matter of faith and not fact?
By faith and by fact. Such as the facts concerning time of writing and influence of writing (including "plagiarism") mentioned in my last post

It seems to me that just about every religion (including ancient pagan polytheism) tell the same stories that contain the same message, one that is completely missed when people fight over the minute details.
I find neither God, nor God becoming flesh, minute.
Thanx
 

ProfLogic

Well-Known Member
jmoum said:
Not only that, but the Koran often refers to other Abrahamic prophets. Now, why would they talk about prophets of a God they don't believe in unless they're trying to denounce them? The obvious answer is, they wouldn't. Therefore, Muslims, Christians, and Jews all worship the same God.

It seems to be.. it also would then say that believers who do not believe in the other religion either judaism, christianity or Islam would need to explain their views to their god when they meet them finally since between the 3 religions no one really knows what their god wants them to follow, even within their religion like in Christianity there are divisions in their beliefs. Thanks to contributions from some of the people on the thread there are clear differences in the religions and in history innocent lives had been lost. Nowadays, people still believe their religion is the truth.. if it is the same god, then 2/3 or all of it might need to answer to their god since their gods objective was probably unity and not divison... as they say peace on mankind.
 

writer

Active Member
59 ummm actually it does
ummm, actually it duzn't. But, in case u believe yourself: care to share any place(s)?
Thanks
 
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