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Disclaimers:
I am going to use two labels to describe two opposing world views.
This is about Atheists and Theists and I will explain my labels.
I understand that many Atheists do not claim to be Naturalists but for sake of this thread, that is a totally different discussion.
I understand that many many other world views are out there, though.
Atheists do not accept the supernatural as a theory and Theists do.
If you have any other world view that does not fit with that, then I am not referring to you, hope that makes sense.
Basically this is a naturalist world view and supernaturalist world view only discussion.
The OP:
I hope no one takes any offence, because I do not mean this personal against anyone.
There really isn't anything that would convince a person of the supernatural, as long as a natural explanation can explain it as well.
Because, there really isn't anything of the supernatural that also can not be reasoned away with a natural explanation.
If it comes down to it, a naturist will resort to claims of delusion, if there is nothing left to use, and will MAYBE(not a brute fact though) deem even himself delusional, depending on the extent of his bias and the situation involved.
Or, MAYBE(not a brute fact though), deem it "unexplainable" by current knowledge in science.
This makes perfect sense to why naturalists claim delusion as a default explanation of billions of believers in Deities/supernatural and/or just claim it unexplainable, and then say
"we don't have to have an answer, there is no reason to claim magic men in the sky."
The point of this OP, Naturalists/Atheists are doing exactly the same thing believers in the supernatural are ACCUSED of doing,.... the "God of the gaps" label.
Yet claim "they"(naturalists/Atheists) are only willing to accept things as truth that have empirical evidence and need evidence of the supernatural to deem it plausible.
And it becomes a logical fallacy in itself, due to Bias.
There is no brute fact evidence to deem it as natural causes that also disproved the supernatural.
Bias does not make it fact, and that bias is stopping a world view from actually "weighing in all the presented theories" with actual intellectual reasoning towards others.
Proposition that Atheists/naturalists are making, which is a logical fallacy.
1)If the supernatural can not be proven, a natural explanation is likely the cause, and a natural explanation that completely disproves the supernatural is not needed.
Again, bias does not make the proposition true, which a naturalist seems to believe.
Rewording it again a few times,
Nothing about the proposition makes itself true and is coming from the bias stance due to the blue text above,
Just because we can always deem the natural position, even if the presented situation merits the supernatural as well, doesn't make it true in itself.
So, again, this shows that a naturalist is bias and creating logical fallacy's to hold their position as the correct world view, when debating Theists.
Millions and millions of events happen that merits claims of the supernatural and we cant just reason them all away from a bias stance and claim to be the only ones who are using empirical evidence when there is none for the naturalist that completely disproves the supernatural, the blue text is not empirical evidence that disproves the events as being of a supernatural cause.
Bias, is not empirical evidence.
Now, nothing what so ever in this OP proves that supernatural exists as brute fact and that is not the point of this topic.
The point should be obvious by now.
Atheists/naturalists are making logical fallacy's from a bias worldview and claiming the world view of the naturalist is the correct one, when discussion of events that merit the supernatural.
In short, we simply do not know for sure, correct?
And saying:
"we don't have to know" does not dismiss the arguments away from the fact that they happen.
Another proposition that is a logical fallacy of the naturalist/atheist.
To claim that billions of Theists are using the God of the gaps to reason unexplainable events in their worldview experiences and are delusional.
Not true, unless an atheist/naturalist can provide empirical evidence that proves without question that it is true for billions of people?
Bias is not evidence, see the dark blue text once again.
Other motives of the thread....
Do not confuse this with me even wanting anyone to remove their bias world views on the supernatural, I accept every ones own world view, this is not a dictatorship post.
To each their own.
But when that bias bleeds into thinking for me or billions of others, it then becomes a problem for everyone else because the bias are guilty of dictatorship.
Atheists and Theists should be working side by side to remove the hate from the world, in my honest opinion.
It is safe to say that the majority of both sides of the coin have very very good people and their world view is not the problem.
Just look at the new Pope, huge huge huge improvement from any other Pope that ever existed, correct?
Together we should be bias against hate, not bias against world views that do not include hate.
We are never going to improve as a people by any other means.
In closing, the two video concepts will never even help humanity.
If you think it will, you better be willing to prove that God doesn't exist or you have no leg to stand on.
Do not give me that goal post switching nonsense, people that present their stance like Dawkins is doing, is claiming that God doesn't exist to give him merit to say what he is saying.
Nor the other guy, who makes racists/supremacist/terrorists/fascism look good.
If you fail to understand a simple fallacy both are creating, then I have no idea what else to say to you.
Unless you can disprove God and that billions of people are delusional?
That I will be willing to discuss.
Yes I know millions of religious people are just as bad I am not pointing fingers at any world view.
IT IS NOT THE WORLD VIEW, IT IS THE PEOPLE AND HATE I AM TALKING ABOUT.
[youtube]uPqqp8KVuQU[/youtube]
And people like this guy....
This is what we should be doing?
I am going to use two labels to describe two opposing world views.
This is about Atheists and Theists and I will explain my labels.
I understand that many Atheists do not claim to be Naturalists but for sake of this thread, that is a totally different discussion.
I understand that many many other world views are out there, though.
Atheists do not accept the supernatural as a theory and Theists do.
If you have any other world view that does not fit with that, then I am not referring to you, hope that makes sense.
Basically this is a naturalist world view and supernaturalist world view only discussion.
The OP:
I hope no one takes any offence, because I do not mean this personal against anyone.
There really isn't anything that would convince a person of the supernatural, as long as a natural explanation can explain it as well.
Because, there really isn't anything of the supernatural that also can not be reasoned away with a natural explanation.
If it comes down to it, a naturist will resort to claims of delusion, if there is nothing left to use, and will MAYBE(not a brute fact though) deem even himself delusional, depending on the extent of his bias and the situation involved.
Or, MAYBE(not a brute fact though), deem it "unexplainable" by current knowledge in science.
This makes perfect sense to why naturalists claim delusion as a default explanation of billions of believers in Deities/supernatural and/or just claim it unexplainable, and then say
"we don't have to have an answer, there is no reason to claim magic men in the sky."
The point of this OP, Naturalists/Atheists are doing exactly the same thing believers in the supernatural are ACCUSED of doing,.... the "God of the gaps" label.
Yet claim "they"(naturalists/Atheists) are only willing to accept things as truth that have empirical evidence and need evidence of the supernatural to deem it plausible.
And it becomes a logical fallacy in itself, due to Bias.
There is no brute fact evidence to deem it as natural causes that also disproved the supernatural.
Bias does not make it fact, and that bias is stopping a world view from actually "weighing in all the presented theories" with actual intellectual reasoning towards others.
Proposition that Atheists/naturalists are making, which is a logical fallacy.
1)If the supernatural can not be proven, a natural explanation is likely the cause, and a natural explanation that completely disproves the supernatural is not needed.
Again, bias does not make the proposition true, which a naturalist seems to believe.
Rewording it again a few times,
Nothing about the proposition makes itself true and is coming from the bias stance due to the blue text above,
Just because we can always deem the natural position, even if the presented situation merits the supernatural as well, doesn't make it true in itself.
So, again, this shows that a naturalist is bias and creating logical fallacy's to hold their position as the correct world view, when debating Theists.
Millions and millions of events happen that merits claims of the supernatural and we cant just reason them all away from a bias stance and claim to be the only ones who are using empirical evidence when there is none for the naturalist that completely disproves the supernatural, the blue text is not empirical evidence that disproves the events as being of a supernatural cause.
Bias, is not empirical evidence.
Now, nothing what so ever in this OP proves that supernatural exists as brute fact and that is not the point of this topic.
The point should be obvious by now.
Atheists/naturalists are making logical fallacy's from a bias worldview and claiming the world view of the naturalist is the correct one, when discussion of events that merit the supernatural.
In short, we simply do not know for sure, correct?
And saying:
"we don't have to know" does not dismiss the arguments away from the fact that they happen.
Another proposition that is a logical fallacy of the naturalist/atheist.
To claim that billions of Theists are using the God of the gaps to reason unexplainable events in their worldview experiences and are delusional.
Not true, unless an atheist/naturalist can provide empirical evidence that proves without question that it is true for billions of people?
Bias is not evidence, see the dark blue text once again.
Other motives of the thread....
Do not confuse this with me even wanting anyone to remove their bias world views on the supernatural, I accept every ones own world view, this is not a dictatorship post.
To each their own.
But when that bias bleeds into thinking for me or billions of others, it then becomes a problem for everyone else because the bias are guilty of dictatorship.
Atheists and Theists should be working side by side to remove the hate from the world, in my honest opinion.
It is safe to say that the majority of both sides of the coin have very very good people and their world view is not the problem.
Just look at the new Pope, huge huge huge improvement from any other Pope that ever existed, correct?
Together we should be bias against hate, not bias against world views that do not include hate.
We are never going to improve as a people by any other means.
In closing, the two video concepts will never even help humanity.
If you think it will, you better be willing to prove that God doesn't exist or you have no leg to stand on.
Do not give me that goal post switching nonsense, people that present their stance like Dawkins is doing, is claiming that God doesn't exist to give him merit to say what he is saying.
Nor the other guy, who makes racists/supremacist/terrorists/fascism look good.
If you fail to understand a simple fallacy both are creating, then I have no idea what else to say to you.
Unless you can disprove God and that billions of people are delusional?
That I will be willing to discuss.
Yes I know millions of religious people are just as bad I am not pointing fingers at any world view.
IT IS NOT THE WORLD VIEW, IT IS THE PEOPLE AND HATE I AM TALKING ABOUT.
[youtube]uPqqp8KVuQU[/youtube]
And people like this guy....
This is what we should be doing?
[youtube]avep_1vbUOA[/youtube]
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