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Baha'i and oneness of god

questfortruth

Well-Known Member

Introduction:


The fundamental difference is:
1. I am saying that there are two gods: Jesus Christ, and satan.
2. The Baha'i says that there is only one god. All theistic religions are trying to solve problem of satan. He is hatred, latter separates good people. To cite from "Hotel California": "And in the master's chambers. They gathered for the feast · They stab it with their steely knives. But they just can't kill the beast."

So, the temple of Baha'i looks very pleasant to the eye. Why? Love (Jesus) and hate (satan) could be a "beautiful and exciting combination".



Impossible wonder is possible through a wonder. Hence, the wonders do happen time after time. World became complicated, with multiple layers of complexity. But people are still very simple.

Hereafter I will not talk much with you: for the prince of this world cometh, and hath nothing in me.
John 14:30.

The satan is powered by the sins of the humankind. More sins - more strength of satan. The satan cannot be executed without the executions of all his followers (sinners). Why? The satan is spirit. The spirit of a thing is notion, definition of this thing. Hence, the satan is sin and sin is satan.

For though there be that are called gods, whether in heaven or in earth, (as there be gods many, and lords many,)
1 Corinthians 8:5. I am monotheist because I have driven satan out of my heart.
 
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Spirit of Light

Be who ever you want
Introduction:


The fundamental difference is:
1. The Baha'i says that there is only one god.
2. I am saying that there are two gods: Jesus Christ, and satan.

So, the temple of Baha'i looks very pleasant to the eye. Why? Love (Jesus) and hate (satan) could be a "beautiful and exciting combination".


Impossible wonder is possible through a wonder. Hence, the wonders do happen time after time.

This is from baha'i teaching :)

all are the children of God, fruit upon the one tree of His love. God is equally compassionate and kind to all the leaves, branches and fruit of this tree. Therefore, there is no satanic tree whatever — Satan being a product of human minds and of instinctive human tendencies toward error. – Abdu’l-Baha, The Promulgation of Universal Peace, p. 230.
 

Dawnofhope

Non-Proselytizing Baha'i
Staff member
Premium Member
Introduction:


The fundamental difference is:
1. The Baha'i says that there is only one god.
2. I am saying that there are two gods: Jesus Christ, and satan.

So, the temple of Baha'i looks very pleasant to the eye. Why? Love (Jesus) and hate (satan) could be a "beautiful and exciting combination".


Impossible wonder is possible through a wonder. Hence, the wonders do happen time after time.

I watched the first video earlier today. It was interesting to hear a Christian presenting the Baha'i Faith based on his limited research. He has a very superficial knowledge of course and has just learnt the minimum in the hope of converting Baha'is to Christianity. First thing to know is;

As to the position of Christianity, let it be stated without any hesitation or equivocation that its divine origin is unconditionally acknowledged, that the Sonship and Divinity of Jesus Christ are fearlessly asserted, that the divine inspiration of the Gospel is fully recognized, that the reality of the mystery of the Immaculacy of the Virgin Mary is confessed, and the primacy of Peter, the Prince of the Apostles, is upheld and defended.


Bahá'í Reference Library - The Promised Day Is Come, Pages 108-113
 

mangalavara

हर हर महादेव
Premium Member
The fundamental difference is:
1. The Baha'i says that there is only one god.
2. I am saying that there are two gods: Jesus Christ, and satan.

Would you therefore say that the Nicene-Constantinopolitan Creed is missing Satan (or, satan as you spell it)?
 

TransmutingSoul

Veteran Member
Premium Member
The fundamental difference is:
1. The Baha'i says that there is only one god.
2. I am saying that there are two gods: Jesus Christ, and satan.

Two thoughts come to mind.

Would you then consider that God is not all powerful, that Satan also shares power?

Jesus in the Bible only seems to offer there is Two Wills, as Jesus says not my Will but the Will of the Father. Does the Bible in any passage offer that Satan has an independent will?

Regards Tony
 

questfortruth

Well-Known Member
Would you therefore say that the Nicene-Constantinopolitan Creed is missing Satan (or, satan as you spell it)?
Would you then consider that God is not all powerful, that Satan also shares power?

Hereafter I will not talk much with you: for the prince of this world cometh, and hath nothing in me.
John 14:30.

The satan is powered by the sins of the humankind. More sins - more strength of satan. The satan cannot be executed without the executions of all his followers (sinners). Why? The satan is spirit. The spirit of a thing is notion, definition of this thing. Hence, the satan is sin and sin is satan.

World became complicated, with multiple layers of complexity. But people are still very simple.
 

Spirit of Light

Be who ever you want
Hereafter I will not talk much with you: for the prince of this world cometh, and hath nothing in me.
John 14:30.

The satan is powered by the sins of the humankind. More sins - more strength of satan. The satan cannot be executed without the executions of all his followers (sinners). Why? The satan is spirit. The spirit of a thing is notion, definition of this thing. Hence, the satan is sin and sin is satan.

World became complicated, with multiple layers of complexity. But people are still very simple.
If Satan is the sin, why do you say Satan is also a God?

Are God with sin in your understanding?
 

questfortruth

Well-Known Member
I dont understand your reply
The fundamental difference is:
1. The Baha'i says that there is only one god.
2. I am saying that there are two gods: Jesus Christ, and satan.

So, the temple of Baha'i looks very pleasant to the eye.

"And in the master's chambers. They gathered for the feast · They stab it with their steely knives. But they just can't kill the beast."

 

Brian2

Veteran Member
Two thoughts come to mind.

Would you then consider that God is not all powerful, that Satan also shares power?

Of course not, you were a Christian weren't you. You should know.

Jesus in the Bible only seems to offer there is Two Wills, as Jesus says not my Will but the Will of the Father. Does the Bible in any passage offer that Satan has an independent will?

Regards Tony

I have a will and you have a will and billions of people have their own will and Jesus' will as a human was not to be tortured to death.
Looking at it from another angle however there is what God wants us to do and what God does not want us to do. 2 paths in every situation if we know what God wants us to do.
 

Brian2

Veteran Member
I watched the first video earlier today. It was interesting to hear a Christian presenting the Baha'i Faith based on his limited research. He has a very superficial knowledge of course and has just learnt the minimum in the hope of converting Baha'is to Christianity. First thing to know is;

As to the position of Christianity, let it be stated without any hesitation or equivocation that its divine origin is unconditionally acknowledged, that the Sonship and Divinity of Jesus Christ are fearlessly asserted, that the divine inspiration of the Gospel is fully recognized, that the reality of the mystery of the Immaculacy of the Virgin Mary is confessed, and the primacy of Peter, the Prince of the Apostles, is upheld and defended.


Bahá'í Reference Library - The Promised Day Is Come, Pages 108-113

I have heard some of these lies from Baha'i about what it thinks of Jesus.
 

Brian2

Veteran Member
This is from baha'i teaching :)

all are the children of God, fruit upon the one tree of His love. God is equally compassionate and kind to all the leaves, branches and fruit of this tree. Therefore, there is no satanic tree whatever — Satan being a product of human minds and of instinctive human tendencies toward error. – Abdu’l-Baha, The Promulgation of Universal Peace, p. 230.

This is one teaching that shows how Baha'i teaching denies the Bible and what Jesus said about Satan.
 

rational experiences

Veteran Member
Our human brother thought.

Is a human. Owns conscious dominion to think on earth. Highest thinker....topic humans consciousness.

The bible reference.

Thinking.

Thought about his life mind body attacked by the earth's heavens changed. Named it Satan falling star burning. Wanderer saviour in cosmos had changed its path.

In cosmic creation only.

As gods protection on earth is highest greatest.

Teaching you can be changed in life on earth by cosmic law....under no jurisdiction earths God.

So you can survive an attack...as earths God was first higher in law body spirit than the hell sun.

Status mother of God determined cosmic laws.

A humans exact scientific teaching only.

A realisation about the various histories of evolving bodies in a space womb.

As said by human man the thinker theist storyteller.
 
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