1. Welcome to Religious Forums, a friendly forum to discuss all religions in a friendly surrounding.

    Your voice is missing! You will need to register to get access to the following site features:
    • Reply to discussions and create your own threads.
    • Our modern chat room. No add-ons or extensions required, just login and start chatting!
    • Access to private conversations with other members.

    We hope to see you as a part of our community soon!

Back to Nicaea?!

Discussion in 'Current Events' started by Regiomontanus, Apr 17, 2021.

  1. Regiomontanus

    Regiomontanus άντρας των αστεριών

    Joined:
    May 24, 2017
    Messages:
    1,728
    Ratings:
    +1,593
    Religion:
    Christianity
    "Mark your calendars: In 2025, Roman Catholics and Eastern Orthodox Christians may return to Nicaea, the spot in modern-day Turkey where Christianity was literally defined. In 325, early followers of Jesus came together to figure out what it means to be a Christian; the goal was to create theological consensus across all of Christendom. This was way before the faith sub-divided into East vs. West, Catholics vs. Protestants, Southern Baptists vs. Primitive Baptists—these were the early days of the religion, when it still seemed like it could be observed as one, united faith. The council's effect on Christianity was huge; for one thing, most Bible-school students still learn some version of the Nicene Creed, the profession of Christian faith.

    On his way home from a meeting with Pope Francis in the Holy Land, Patriarch Bartholomew I, the primary leader of Eastern Orthodox Christians, gave an interviewin which he said that he and Francis are planning a gathering in Nicaea 11 years from now "to celebrate together, after 17 centuries , the first truly ecumenical synod." That's a pretty big deal; in 1054, theological disagreements led to a schism in Christianity, which is how Roman Catholics and Eastern Orthodox Christians became separate faith traditions. This is a call back to a time before the schism, before the fundamental disagreements that kept popes and patriarchs from talking to each other for more than 900 years."


    The articles about this so far are all from 2014 but I will keep digging a bit.

    Such a meeting would be primarily symbolic but is interesting to think about. Uniting the eastern and western branches of the Catholic church is, I fear, unlikely at any point but there can at least be more dialog.

    Christian Leaders May Return to Nicaea: What Does It Mean?
     
    • Informative Informative x 8
  2. Heyo

    Heyo Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Aug 1, 2019
    Messages:
    6,685
    Ratings:
    +5,796
    Religion:
    none
    I also remember a dialogue between the RCC and the Anglican church that was at the time (a few years ago) imagined as a first step to reunite the churches.
     
    • Like Like x 1
    • Optimistic Optimistic x 1
  3. Teritos

    Teritos Active Member

    Joined:
    Feb 25, 2021
    Messages:
    328
    Ratings:
    +82
    Religion:
    Christian
    Indeed, according to the Bible, Turkey is the throne of Satan.(Revelation 2:13) However, there will be no rebirth of the "Holy" Roman Empire. The time for the Romans is over. Turkey is a Muslim country and will belong to the future Islamic Caliphate.
     
  4. Left Coast

    Left Coast Happy Spring!
    Staff Member Premium Member

    Joined:
    Apr 17, 2019
    Messages:
    6,185
    Ratings:
    +9,188
    Religion:
    Dharmic Dabbler
    Pergamos and Nicaea are different places.
     
  5. Teritos

    Teritos Active Member

    Joined:
    Feb 25, 2021
    Messages:
    328
    Ratings:
    +82
    Religion:
    Christian
    Both are in Turkey.
     
  6. sun rise

    sun rise "This is the Hour of God"
    Premium Member

    Joined:
    Apr 28, 2014
    Messages:
    57,616
    Ratings:
    +26,609
    Religion:
    Love
    The First Council of Nicea is celebrated and sometimes a bit castigated depending on whether you agree or disagree with their decisions since Arianism has never really died out or perhaps we should say "has been revived".
     
    • Like Like x 1
    • Useful Useful x 1
  7. Left Coast

    Left Coast Happy Spring!
    Staff Member Premium Member

    Joined:
    Apr 17, 2019
    Messages:
    6,185
    Ratings:
    +9,188
    Religion:
    Dharmic Dabbler
    Both are on Earth too; so what? "Turkey" did not exist in the late first/early second centuries (nor in the 4th).
     
    • Like Like x 2
  8. Marcion

    Marcion Self-realisation and Service to the Universe

    Joined:
    Apr 23, 2012
    Messages:
    1,514
    Ratings:
    +734
    Religion:
    Manava [human] Dharma (non-religious)/Orthodox Right-Handed Tantra-Yoga/Neo-Humanism
    I suppose how early is a question of personal perception.
    The early followers of Jesus lived in the first and second century and their movements were proto-Christian and much more diverse than present-day Christians will likely be able to imagine.

    By 325 the present day type of followers of Jesus had managed to get the upperhand and the other types of followers had become tiny minorities.
     
    #8 Marcion, Apr 17, 2021
    Last edited: Apr 17, 2021
  9. metis

    metis aged ecumenical anthropologist

    Joined:
    Aug 27, 2013
    Messages:
    34,365
    Ratings:
    +16,208
    Religion:
    ecumenical & naturalistic Catholic
    Where did you get that from?
     
  10. Regiomontanus

    Regiomontanus άντρας των αστεριών

    Joined:
    May 24, 2017
    Messages:
    1,728
    Ratings:
    +1,593
    Religion:
    Christianity
    Yes I agree completely and I expected someone to mention the emperor Constantine too :)
     
  11. metis

    metis aged ecumenical anthropologist

    Joined:
    Aug 27, 2013
    Messages:
    34,365
    Ratings:
    +16,208
    Religion:
    ecumenical & naturalistic Catholic
    I think what's missing here is the fact that Jesus created an organization that we call the "Church", and that organization didn't disappear. Paul referred to it as being of "one body", plus Jesus and the Apostles "taught with authority" according to the Gospels, thus this Church they created wasn't meant to be just some sort of loosey-goosey theological free-for-all.

    See here: Apostolic succession - Wikipedia
     
  12. Vouthon

    Vouthon Dominus Deus tuus ignis consumens est
    Staff Member Premium Member

    Joined:
    Apr 17, 2013
    Messages:
    3,752
    Ratings:
    +4,231
    Religion:
    Catholic Christianity
    That would be an absolutely historic milestone if it actually transpired, even if purely for its symbolic import.

    However, I personally struggle to see the likes of the Russian Orthodox making too many overtures to 'Rome/Latin West' (not least given the geopolitical tensions between Russia and the West over Ukraine at present, which sadly filter down into ecclesiastical relations).
     
  13. Regiomontanus

    Regiomontanus άντρας των αστεριών

    Joined:
    May 24, 2017
    Messages:
    1,728
    Ratings:
    +1,593
    Religion:
    Christianity
    Yes, thanks, I think I heard of that before ;)
     
  14. Regiomontanus

    Regiomontanus άντρας των αστεριών

    Joined:
    May 24, 2017
    Messages:
    1,728
    Ratings:
    +1,593
    Religion:
    Christianity
    Yeah my expectations are not high but definitely a symbolic event that could lead to further dialog.
     
  15. Brickjectivity

    Brickjectivity Veteran Member
    Staff Member Premium Member

    Joined:
    Dec 8, 2012
    Messages:
    31,303
    Ratings:
    +12,075
    Religion:
    liber-scripta grim Christian
    Yes, unless there are surprise announcements. It could be quite significant.
     
Loading...