Actually, the reminder is welcome, although as you may tell I chose to ignore that advice.
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Atheists: What if?
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Actually, the reminder is welcome, although as you may tell I chose to ignore that advice.
I don't think not accepting the validity of the statement is the same as ignoring it. I reject it on its lack of merit, not by ignoring it.
It seems that your understanding of what ignoring that advice is does not coincide with mine, Iti.
What do you mean then?
That the saying calls one to consider how capable of understanding and accepting what one has to offer the listeners are.
Could you rephrase that.
Ingledsva
HEATHEN ALASKAN
No it isn't.
The other person (being called swine) has the same rights to their beliefs, as the person who thinks the "other" is swine, and unworthy of debate.
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First of all it is quoted of Jesus. Jesus never taught debate so it can't be about debate. Pearls are not for changing beliefs of the mind. Pearls are got by the irritation that specks cause in the oyster. Pearls are not religious dogma. Pearls are what the writers of wisdom share. Wisdom is not about religious belief. Wisdom is about what is really real. It is the same sky over every living thing on the Earth. Wisdom is like the sky. The same wisdom is true to everything like the sky is true. But like the sky wisdom does not have the same affect on everyone at the same time.
"To throw your pearls at swine" means to accept a foolish person's view that your wisdom isn't wisdom. It doen't mean your religion isn't true. Religion isn't true, but you know that. Wisdom would never claim religion is a pearl. Religion stagnates. Wisdom rains and shines and life grows.
The words Jesus spoke "Do not give dogs what is sacred" is about religious belief. Notice he says "give" (translated from the idea of bestow) and dogs means anyone outside of The Way (according to me). But about the pigs he says "throw".
According to God's law if something that is sacred touches something that is unclean (for want of a better word - Wisdom help me out here) it does not make the unclean thing holy but makes the holy thing unclean.
To serve my word salads over and over again to people who believe in the foolishness of them is throwing pearls to swine.
I don't throw my salad. Haha
Shuttlecraft
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Jesus said by all means talk to people, but don't waste your time throwing more pearls if they're not interested-
"If any place will not welcome you or listen to you, shake the dust off your feet when you leave, as a testimony against them" (Mark 6:11)
There are also plenty of other verses telling us to stay clear of their bad vibes such as-
"He who walks with the wise grows wise, but a companion of fools suffers harm" (Provs 13:20)
"Do not be yoked together with unbelievers. For what do righteousness and wickedness have in common? Or what fellowship can light have with darkness?" (2 Cor 6:14)
"Bad company corrupts good character" (1 Cor 15:33)
We're even warned to stay clear of phoney so-called "christians'-
"Deceitful workmen, masquerading as apostles of Christ.." (2 Cor 11:13/14)
and we should only hang with people who make us feel good..
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"As iron sharpens iron, so one person sharpens another" (Proverbs 27:17)
"If any place will not welcome you or listen to you, shake the dust off your feet when you leave, as a testimony against them" (Mark 6:11)
There are also plenty of other verses telling us to stay clear of their bad vibes such as-
"He who walks with the wise grows wise, but a companion of fools suffers harm" (Provs 13:20)
"Do not be yoked together with unbelievers. For what do righteousness and wickedness have in common? Or what fellowship can light have with darkness?" (2 Cor 6:14)
"Bad company corrupts good character" (1 Cor 15:33)
We're even warned to stay clear of phoney so-called "christians'-
"Deceitful workmen, masquerading as apostles of Christ.." (2 Cor 11:13/14)
and we should only hang with people who make us feel good..
-"As iron sharpens iron, so one person sharpens another" (Proverbs 27:17)
Jesus said by all means talk to people, but don't waste your time throwing more pearls if they're not interested-
"If any place will not welcome you or listen to you, shake the dust off your feet when you leave, as a testimony against them" (Mark 6:11)
There are also plenty of other verses telling us to stay clear of their bad vibes such as-
"He who walks with the wise grows wise, but a companion of fools suffers harm" (Provs 13:20)
"Do not be yoked together with unbelievers. For what do righteousness and wickedness have in common? Or what fellowship can light have with darkness?" (2 Cor 6:14)
"Bad company corrupts good character" (1 Cor 15:33)
We're even warned to stay clear of phoney so-called "christians'-
"Deceitful workmen, masquerading as apostles of Christ.." (2 Cor 11:13/14)
and we should only hang with people who make us feel good..
"As iron sharpens iron, so one person sharpens another" (Proverbs 27:17)
It seems to me you know the word well but don't know the Spirit which originated the words. To be settling on the words with the refusal to seek the Spirit of the words makes a person the same as atheist I think.
You just said that all atheism together has in common a rejection of theism.
That's not nothing, and it is of consequence.
why because you said so?
Shuttlecraft
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It's not rocket science mate-
"If you hang around with losers, you become a loser"- Donald Trump
For example I know a middleaged christian street preacher who hangs with losers and he admits they "drain him of energy", and as a result his life has become a sloppy disorganised mess, he's been hauled up court twice for not paying his council tax, he's had his electricity and phone cut off for not paying the bills, and he's got two failed marriages behind him, etc etc.
"He who walks with the wise grows wise, but a companion of fools suffers harm" (Provs 13:20)
I've tried to help him by telling him to stay clear of losers, but he seems drawn to them like a moth to a flame and has become a loser himself, so now I stay clear of him..
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My opinion is mine, yes. It belongs to me.
It's not rocket science mate-
"If you hang around with losers, you become a loser"- Donald Trump
For example I know a middleaged christian street preacher who hangs with losers and he admits they "drain him of energy", and as a result his life has become a sloppy disorganised mess, he's been hauled up court twice for not paying his council tax, he's had his electricity and phone cut off for not paying the bills, and he's got two failed marriages behind him, etc etc.
I've tried to help him by telling him to stay clear of losers, but he seems drawn to them like a moth to a flame and has become a loser himself, so now I stay clear of him..
OK. I think what people do is assume their own meaning of scripture. It is what "bad associations" really are. You don't know that so it is why I say I think you do not know The Spirit.
What you say is true. But my view of the Bible is it is The Truth not plainly true. It is true hanging out with dumb people will make you dumb. But it is not what Jesus said. Is it?
That the saying calls one to consider how [capable of understanding and accepting (of) what one has to offer] the listeners are.
I don't know as it needs to replace the dogma bit, but looking at atheists arguments over the years on RF, I do see plenty to offer up to the book of dogma.
Any and all of that would fall else where like naturalism, humanism etc.
RichardParker
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Sure, once you dropped the idea that there is a super-natural entity that already has a plan for you and wants to order you how you should behave, we can actually start offering our own idea about how we should treat each other.
These are options that might get oppend up by atheism, but they aren't inherently atheistic, and they are not defining for atheism.