At the end of the day, neither you nor I nor anybody else, has the objective answers to whether or not there is a realm somewhere or here or anywhere in which the laws of physics and nature are non-existent. But as of now, it seems highly unlikely.
Logically, it appears to we limited humans that the 'laws of physics' do have an origin, and a purpose. We do not know what this origin or purpose is, but our experience of them certainly does make us 'beg the question'. And has since the dawn of human nature. So anyone claiming to know what is "highly unlikely" is posing only an irrationally biased opinion.
A lot of people have a natural need to believe they do have answers which is why all of the various beliefs out there have been created. I understand that. It doesn't mean any of the ideas are true.
Nor does it mean that any of those ideas are untrue. What it does mean is that we cannot base our presumptions on what we think we know, because in truth,
we do not know. Which means we are and must base our opinions of the origin and purpose of existence on something other than our knowledge. And that nearly always ends up being our needs or desires. And this is certainly practical, if not logical
because it's practical.
When you speak of arrogance, atheists are not alone. There are plenty of believers whose arrogance is over the top.
Yes, and I said that. Falsely presuming knowledge that we cannot actually possess happens routinely with both theists and atheists, alike, as all humans tend to fall for the illusion of knowledge to avoid facing the fear of our profound lack of it.
The difference is the arrogant atheist for the most part will admit they don't know for certain while the arrogant believer insists they do know.
Having had many discussions with many atheists over the years, I find this profession of their agnosticism to be quite disingenuous. Because almost to a man, what they really believe is that if any form of god or gods existed, there would be evidence that they could recognize as such, and be convinced by, proving it. If this is not blindingly irrational arrogance, I don't know what would be. And yet it is the overwhelming justification for atheism being professed by the majority of atheists that I've encountered. And it appears also to be the case, for you. You refuse to accept the possibility of a theist perspective unless and until you are given convincing evidence. (Isn't this the case?) Completely ignoring the overwhelming possibility that you would not be capable of recognizing such evidence if it exists. Partly because you are a limited human, and partly because your bias has defined such evidence out of the possibility of existence. (Demanding objective evidence for a subjective, metaphysical phenomenon.)
If the believer accepts their belief as just something they need in order to create a more meaningful life for themselves and they keep it to themselves and their like-minded group, you would never hear a peep from atheists.
It's normal, natural, and beneficial for human beings to share the concepts that they find to work positively for them in their experience of life, with each other. Sometimes these concepts involve proselytizing, and although this can be annoying to others, it's a bit like experiencing bad weather. We don't like it, but we certainly would prefer it to having no weather at all.
You are claiming there are no atheists in fox holes. That some day we will all need to believe in something imaginary out of fear.
We are all doing this, already. So much of the time, in fact, that we aren't even aware of how much of it is imaginary. Do you realize, that what you and I call "reality" is an imaginative conceptual environment being generated in our minds? Truth, reality, reason, etc., are all concepts generated by the human imagination.
I understand that point of view, I just don't agree. I'm not claiming that people can't change their views, but their criteria for what is acceptable as being possible, true or factual usually will not change once formed.
That's because we are so incredibly afraid to face our own 'unknowing'. To face the vulnerability involved in accepting that one's idea of truth and reality is imaginary, and is quite probably WRONG. We would rather
be wrong than recognize ourselves as being wrong. That's how panic-stricken we become in the face of our own profound ignorance.
It is not about atheists demanding or suggesting believers not believe, it is about accepting atheists don't believe and don't want laws and those beliefs forced on us which you cannot possibly suggest hasn't and doesn't occur.
If you are referring to religious/anti-religious social politics, that's a different discussion that has little to do with theism or atheism. That's all about that human desire to control and manipulate everything and everyone around us, to our own advantage, to feel strong, safe, and fulfilled.
