Atheists and Science and Hell prove the existence of God

[IHaveTheGift]

If an admin sees this plz delete the thread.

I give up on this board.
I know where the door is.:yes:

Out of all the posts, only a 1 actually addressed the OP
a few picking random points within the Op and replying to them out of context to refute them

two people debating their own thing not even relevant to the op
someone just posting his views on his views only, two times now that have nothing to do with the OP

The rest just posted what ever they felt like posting not related to the OP

My other thread has childish atheists poking fun at starving children on it
a few people trolling me there and trying to here as well

either/or
its been real


later

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

Incoherent rubbish …

 

[bobhikes]

This is a rather long post, considering the claims I am making, there is a lot of things everyone gets wrong.

Empirical evidence proves the man is delusional.

This is all I needed to read. If we take this to be true than nothing else matters.

 

[steeltoes]

Who would have thunk?

 

[Triumphant_Loser]

This is a rather long post, considering the claims I am making, there is a lot of things everyone gets wrong.

Empirical evidence proves the man is delusional.

Atheists claim that Theists invent God in their own minds because we don't want to die, we want to life forever.
That can only be true if God didn't include hell.
We would replace one horror(death) with a higher horror(Hell)
Hell is eternal, death is peace.
So it follows that Theists are not delusional to creating God to get out of death.
That is a sound argument.

The Problems of Evil in the world are a huge issue.
Problem of evil - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Why would a God grant trivial prayers of some, but allow millions of others to suffer and die horrible deaths?
Atheists got that part right.
God has turned his back on man, when?
IDK, but the Bible is full of stories of him being active with man and now he is not, correct?
Theists cant accept that as truth, the problems of evil prove it as truth

When God kicked Adam and Eve out of the Garden of Eden, evil entered the world.
Why do you think Jesus finally came?
Because he had to, God turned his back on the world and condemned us.
Jesus said that not even he knows the day of Judgement, only God knows
So he is not God, correct?
Jesus can not exactly take Gods place, he is not that powerful.
The only miracles happening are ones of the gift of the Holy Ghost he gives us and Jesus doing his thing with God to then provide them for us.
They are petty compared to what God did before he turned his back on us.
Which is why we don't see the ones today that happened in the Bible.
We are pretty much on our own.
Atheists get that part right too.

John 14:6
Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

Remember what satan is said to have done?
He had full power to be evil in Heaven and was kicked out right?
But the Bible gives it a brute fact that he will never win against God.
No Jesus isn't satan, that isn't what I am saying, I am just saying that both have powers, but not Gods powers.

satan can trick man into believing in false gods and he can also preform higher miracles then the Holy Ghost can.
This is the cause of all the "gods"
Atheists get that part right too.

Discuss

If God answers trivial prayers, but ignores the prayers of the needy, is It really a benevolent and loving God? Or could it be that God is physically unable to intervene at all, because then It would be working against the natural laws that It created in the first place?

 

[Desert Snake]

Why is satan so strong in your op, little confusing.

 

[Desert Snake]

He is no more different on the default Theist idea of him.

havent you every heard the "devil make me do it?"
didnt you know he tricked Adam and eve?
What is your view on him?

Even the snake in the garden may not have been satan, and his power is limited afaik.

 

[Revoltingest]

This is a rather long post, considering the claims I am making, there is a lot of things everyone gets wrong.

Empirical evidence proves the man is delusional.

Atheists claim that Theists invent God in their own minds because we don't want to die, we want to life forever.
That can only be true if God didn't include hell.

I ran into a roadblock at the underlined portion.
These premises are arbitrary.

 

[viole]

This is a rather long post, considering the claims I am making, there is a lot of things everyone gets wrong.

Empirical evidence proves the man is delusional.

Atheists claim that Theists invent God in their own minds because we don't want to die, we want to life forever.
That can only be true if God didn't include hell.
We would replace one horror(death) with a higher horror(Hell)
Hell is eternal, death is peace.
So it follows that Theists are not delusional to creating God to get out of death.
That is a sound argument.

Discuss

Do you think you will go to Hell?

Ciao

- viole

 

[Revoltingest]

why do you think that, can you explain?

The underlined sentences are personal beliefs, but not facts we can all agree upon.
To reason from them, one would deduce conclusions only of value to the believer.
The rest of us would be unconvinced.

 

[Desert Snake]

ohhh but that is irrelevant of the snake thing
there is a satan
You seem to be not understanding a persons theory that claims to be saying
most people get it wrong.
If you compare it to what others think, of course its going to be different, that's what presenting new theories do.

I sense that you don't even know much about the defalut version Christian God to begin with that the Bible supports?

I probably know next to nothing of what the default Xian belief is, on much of anything.

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

I cant understand you can you dumb it down for me

Probably not.

Doesn't that mean you cant debunk the argument and are playing dumb?

Neither.

 

[viole]

do you think you are?

No, I don't believe in Hell, obviously. But I am dead sure that I will die (pun intended). Bummer.

So, what about you? Do you have good chances to make it to Heaven?

Ciao

- viole

 

[Thief]

Post#1 covers a lot of territory.

I believe in God because of science.

I suspect nonbelievers want to avoid a spiritual commitment.
Easier to say there is no God.

For those who say they do believe, it may be they suspect an afterlife....
and simply don't want to go to hell.

None of the above....including my style of belief.... may be sufficient.

Heaven is a place of peace.
I believe that peace is guarded.

So....
If you judge by sight you will be judged on sight.
If you judge by rumor you will be judged by hearsay.
If you judge at all....make certain your own mind and heart....first.

I believe in cause and effect.
The universe is the effect.....God is the Cause.

I've heard hell is what you make it.

 

[Robert.Evans]

This is a rather long post, considering the claims I am making, there is a lot of things everyone gets wrong.

Empirical evidence proves the man is delusional.

Atheists claim that Theists invent God in their own minds because we don't want to die, we want to life forever.

As I see everything as evolving-consciousness, then in one sense they are right. not in the sense that he does not exist, but rather, that the Consciousness that is everything evolves that way for that very reason. It is no surprise then, if this Consciousness acts in a Fractal way, that they would think that.

That can only be true if God didn't include hell.
We would replace one horror(death) with a higher horror(Hell)
Hell is eternal, death is peace.
So it follows that Theists are not delusional to creating God to get out of death.
That is a sound argument.

I don't understand that

The Problems of Evil in the world are a huge issue.

Why would a God grant trivial prayers of some, but allow millions of others to suffer and die horrible deaths?

your mind, just as mine, evolves the way it evolves; it is the same for everything and that is what God is and how he works; we all answer, however hard that might be, for things committed within the Consciousness before it became physical.

Atheists got that part right.
God has turned his back on man, when?

To me, he is the All, so he has not; though there are different layers of actuality so the part you are speaking of might well be seen as away from us. But that is no different than keeping pure water from dirty water.

IDK, but the Bible is full of stories of him being active with man and now he is not, correct?

I don't know what IDK means

Theists cant accept that as truth, the problems of evil prove it as truth

When God kicked Adam and Eve out of the Garden of Eden, evil entered the world.

what happened was the separation of the lower 'flesh' part of that Consciousness which is everything; this is an on going process.

Why do you think Jesus finally came?
Because he had to, God turned his back on the world and condemned us.

God is on different levels remember

Jesus said that not even he knows the day of Judgement, only God knows
So he is not God, correct?

as a man he was not, for he "emptied himself"

Jesus can not exactly take Gods place, he is not that powerful.

He is the Source of everything; God is within him

The only miracles happening are ones of the gift of the Holy Ghost he gives us and Jesus doing his thing with God to then provide them for us.

the Holy Spirit baptism is the guarantee certainly

They are petty compared to what God did before he turned his back on us.
Which is why we don't see the ones today that happened in the Bible.
We are pretty much on our own.
Atheists get that part right too.

The OT is about the God of flesh. We are not on our own, we are an evolving-consciousness which is acting fractically from what already has been

John 14:6
Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.


Remember what satan is said to have done?
He had power to be evil in Heaven and was kicked out right?

ok

But the Bible gives it a brute fact that he will never win against God.
No Jesus isn't satan, that isn't what I am saying, I am just saying that both have powers, but not Gods powers.

There is, in different levels, a Left and Right hand of God. It is the One that is thought of as God rather than one of the two divisions; yet even then, they can be seen as a God being part of that One

satan can trick man into believing in false gods.
This is the cause of all the "gods"
Atheists get that part right too.
Discuss

I agree in the main. the gods are the 'powers' which are within the fractal-consciousness as it develops. Each new "day" sees 'new light' and that light is seen as a new power (god). Thus following the Original Light (God) it is the same; but it is also different as it is a copy and therefore flawed, by definition. Atheists would follow the biggest false god of them all, the reward only being death. That is some prize! There we are, that's what I think

 

[viole]

Post#1 covers a lot of territory.

I believe in God because of science.

I don't, because of science.

I suspect nonbelievers want to avoid a spiritual commitment.
Easier to say there is no God.

Yes, and more difficult to say that there is one.

For those who say they do believe, it may be they suspect an afterlife....
and simply don't want to go to hell.

It depends. Did they choose the right God?

Heaven is a place of peace.
I believe that peace is guarded.

Reminds me of the Lebanon border. Do you have de-militarized zones in Heaven?

So....
If you judge by sight you will be judged on sight.
If you judge by rumor you will be judged by hearsay.
If you judge at all....make certain your own mind and heart....first.

I believe in cause and effect.
The universe is the effect.....God is the Cause.

I say God is the effect.

Ciao

- viole

 

[Revoltingest]

The main premise here is on how I am using atheists to prove God exits, they claim gods are delusional and not real so if you believe in them, me and you agree, or are you just helping show in your way that you believe in God?

Atheists aren't useful to prove anything.
Gods will exist or not exist no matter what we think about them.

 

[thau]

Why would a God grant trivial prayers of some, but allow millions of others to suffer and die horrible deaths?

What is suffering on earth compared to eternity? Since we cannot explain God's ways (in all aspects, as He said we would not be able to) does that mean we abandon all we know? Heaven is forever. If you cannot trust Him on what has been revealed, then you are choosing to take risks.


So he is not God, correct? Jesus can not exactly take Gods place, he is not that powerful.

You are attempting to make a case for that? Good luck.


They (the miracles of Jesus) are petty compared to what God did before he turned his back on us.

This is utterly stupid, to my way of thinking, and my way of believing.


We are pretty much on our own.

Which makes me now fully wonder what religion you aspire to?


No Jesus isn't satan, that isn't what I am saying, I am just saying that both have powers, but not Gods powers.

I believe you are on a road that to a place that bears no fruit. Your religion is a hopeless cause because it is a false religion. You really have to turn your back on the manifestations of the Christian God, the Christian prophets, the miracles from prayer, to continue making your case.

 

[Thief]

Cause and effect...

If you place substance first then all of life is a chemical reaction....and terminal.

If you say Spirit first then life is spiritual.
God is Spirit.
Substance is then the effect of God's mind and heart....His will.
God as Creator.

Man would be a complete mystery without purpose or resolve....without God.
Death would be final and beyond all hope of spirit.

That we have five senses, all of which feed your spirit with thought and dream...
Indicates to me a scheme of things far beyond the last breath.

What that scheme proves to be.....I believe....is a reflection of whatever you believe.

 

[Robert.Evans]

I don't, because of science.

Science is not a reason to not believe- you must misunderstand it