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Atheist Myth: “No One Has Ever Killed in the Name of Atheism”

ChristineM

"Be strong", I whispered to my coffee.
Premium Member
Might have a better case if you didn't keep repeating the same completely fictitious and ludicrously exaggerated number to bash something you don't like in return ;)


Thank you...

Albigensian Crusade, 1208-49

Algeria, 1992-

Baha'is, 1848-54

Bosnia, 1992-95

Boxer Rebellion, 1899-1901

Christian Romans, 30-313 CE

Croatia, 1991-92

English Civil War, 1642-46

Holocaust, 1938-45

Huguenot Wars, 1562-1598

India, 1992-2002

India: Suttee & Thugs

Indo-Pakistani Partition, 1947

Iran, Islamic Republic, 1979-

Iraq, Shiites, 1991-92

Jews, 1348

Jonestown, 1978

Lebanon 1860 / 1975-92

Molucca Is., 1999-

Mongolia, 1937-39

Northern Ireland, 1974-98

Russian pogroms 1905-06 / 1917-22

St. Bartholemew Massacre, 1572

Shang China, ca. 1300-1050 BCE

Shimabara Revolt, Japan 1637-38

Sikh uprising, India, 1984-91

Spanish Inquisition, 1478-1834

Taiping Rebellion, 1850-64

Thirty Years War, 1618-48 - 11,500,000

Tudor England

Vietnam, 1800s

Witch Hunts, 1400-1800

Xhosa, 1857

Arab Outbreak, 7th Century CE

Arab-Israeli Wars, 1948-

Al Qaeda, 1993-

Crusades, 1095-1291 - 6,000,000

Dutch Revolt, 1566-1609

Nigeria, 1990s, 2000s


In excess of 800,000,000 deaths in the name of religion
 

epronovost

Well-Known Member
Thank you...

Albigensian Crusade, 1208-49

Algeria, 1992-

Baha'is, 1848-54

Bosnia, 1992-95

Boxer Rebellion, 1899-1901

Christian Romans, 30-313 CE

Croatia, 1991-92

English Civil War, 1642-46

Holocaust, 1938-45

Huguenot Wars, 1562-1598

India, 1992-2002

India: Suttee & Thugs

Indo-Pakistani Partition, 1947

Iran, Islamic Republic, 1979-

Iraq, Shiites, 1991-92

Jews, 1348

Jonestown, 1978

Lebanon 1860 / 1975-92

Molucca Is., 1999-

Mongolia, 1937-39

Northern Ireland, 1974-98

Russian pogroms 1905-06 / 1917-22

St. Bartholemew Massacre, 1572

Shang China, ca. 1300-1050 BCE

Shimabara Revolt, Japan 1637-38

Sikh uprising, India, 1984-91

Spanish Inquisition, 1478-1834

Taiping Rebellion, 1850-64

Thirty Years War, 1618-48 - 11,500,000

Tudor England

Vietnam, 1800s

Witch Hunts, 1400-1800

Xhosa, 1857

Arab Outbreak, 7th Century CE

Arab-Israeli Wars, 1948-

Al Qaeda, 1993-

Crusades, 1095-1291 - 6,000,000

Dutch Revolt, 1566-1609

Nigeria, 1990s, 2000s


In excess of 800,000,000 deaths in the name of religion

Many of these suffer from the same problem that those mentionned in the OP. They are massacres perpetrated by religious people yes, but not always, mainly or only in the name of religion. Some are also unrelated to religion like the Rwanda Genocide which is actually due to a racialist division imposed upon those people during the Belgian occupation.
 

Cooky

Veteran Member
Thank you...

Albigensian Crusade, 1208-49

Algeria, 1992-

Baha'is, 1848-54

Bosnia, 1992-95

Boxer Rebellion, 1899-1901

Christian Romans, 30-313 CE

Croatia, 1991-92

English Civil War, 1642-46

Holocaust, 1938-45

Huguenot Wars, 1562-1598

India, 1992-2002

India: Suttee & Thugs

Indo-Pakistani Partition, 1947

Iran, Islamic Republic, 1979-

Iraq, Shiites, 1991-92

Jews, 1348

Jonestown, 1978

Lebanon 1860 / 1975-92

Molucca Is., 1999-

Mongolia, 1937-39

Northern Ireland, 1974-98

Russian pogroms 1905-06 / 1917-22

St. Bartholemew Massacre, 1572

Shang China, ca. 1300-1050 BCE

Shimabara Revolt, Japan 1637-38

Sikh uprising, India, 1984-91

Spanish Inquisition, 1478-1834

Taiping Rebellion, 1850-64

Thirty Years War, 1618-48 - 11,500,000

Tudor England

Vietnam, 1800s

Witch Hunts, 1400-1800

Xhosa, 1857

Arab Outbreak, 7th Century CE

Arab-Israeli Wars, 1948-

Al Qaeda, 1993-

Crusades, 1095-1291 - 6,000,000

Dutch Revolt, 1566-1609

Nigeria, 1990s, 2000s


In excess of 800,000,000 deaths in the name of religion

That takes nothing away from all the deaths mentioned in the OP. Nice attempt at shifting goalposts though, but nobody's being fooled.
 
Thank you...

Albigensian Crusade, 1208-49

Algeria, 1992-

Baha'is, 1848-54

Bosnia, 1992-95

Boxer Rebellion, 1899-1901

Christian Romans, 30-313 CE

Croatia, 1991-92

English Civil War, 1642-46

Holocaust, 1938-45

Huguenot Wars, 1562-1598

India, 1992-2002

India: Suttee & Thugs

Indo-Pakistani Partition, 1947

Iran, Islamic Republic, 1979-

Iraq, Shiites, 1991-92

Jews, 1348

Jonestown, 1978

Lebanon 1860 / 1975-92

Molucca Is., 1999-

Mongolia, 1937-39

Northern Ireland, 1974-98

Russian pogroms 1905-06 / 1917-22

St. Bartholemew Massacre, 1572

Shang China, ca. 1300-1050 BCE

Shimabara Revolt, Japan 1637-38

Sikh uprising, India, 1984-91

Spanish Inquisition, 1478-1834

Taiping Rebellion, 1850-64

Thirty Years War, 1618-48 - 11,500,000

Tudor England

Vietnam, 1800s

Witch Hunts, 1400-1800

Xhosa, 1857

Arab Outbreak, 7th Century CE

Arab-Israeli Wars, 1948-

Al Qaeda, 1993-

Crusades, 1095-1291 - 6,000,000

Dutch Revolt, 1566-1609

Nigeria, 1990s, 2000s


In excess of 800,000,000 deaths in the name of religion

There isn't even in excess of 80 million there... ;)
 

ChristineM

"Be strong", I whispered to my coffee.
Premium Member
That takes nothing away from all the deaths mentioned in the OP. Nice attempt at shifting goalposts though, but nobody's being fooled.

None you mentioned were caused in the name of Atheism. Although some may have been caused by atheists. And most in your op have nothing to do with atheism. So no matter how you misrepresent just to massage your ego. No one is fooled
 
No it wasn't. Communists simply didn't want any competition. They wanted people to worship the state and people worshiping a god interfered with that.

Marx, Lenin, Trotsky and Stalin disagree with you, but what would they know... ;)

Lenin: "Atheism is a natural and inseparable part of Marxism"
Leon Trotsky: “We must rid ourselves once and for all of the Quaker-Papist babble about the sanctity of human life”.

Excerpts from Karl Marx: A Contribution to the Critique of Hegel’s Philosophy of Right

"The criticism of religion is the prerequisite of all criticism.

It is our duty to destroy every religious world-concept... If the destruction of ten million human beings, as happened in the last war, should be necessary for the triumph of one definite class, then that must be done and it will be done.

The criticism of religion leads to the doctrine according to which man is, for man, the supreme being; therefore it reaches the categorical imperative of overthrowing all relationships in which man is a degraded, enslaved, abandoned, contemptible being.

There therefore was no distinction between [Marxism's] philosophical views regarding atheism and its political views.

The struggle against religion is, therefore, indirectly the struggle against that world whose spiritual aroma is religion.

The abolition of religion as the illusory happiness of the people is the demand for their real happiness.

Thus, the criticism of Heaven turns into the criticism of Earth, the criticism of religion into the criticism of law, and the criticism of theology into the criticism of politics."

Religion and communism are incompatible, both theoretically and practically.

Struggle against religion is a struggle for socialism"




There can be no doubt that the fact that the new state of the USSR led by the communist party, with a program permeated by the spirit of militant atheism, gives the reason why this state is successfully surmounting the great difficulties that stand in its way - that neither "heavenly powers" nor the exhortations of all the priests in all the world can prevent its attaining its aims it has set itself Yemelyan Yaroslavsky



It is furthermore imperative to put the propaganda of atheism on solid ground. You won't achieve much with the weapons of Marx and materialism, as we have seen. Materialism and religion are two different planes and they don't coincide. If a fool speaks from the heavens and the sage from a factory--they won't understand one another. The sage needs to hit the fool with his stick, with his weapon. Gorky, Letter to Stalin
 

ChristineM

"Be strong", I whispered to my coffee.
Premium Member
There isn't even in excess of 80 million there... ;)

You counted in a few minutes? Wow, i have been worried on that for years trying to get some of the obscure information and am still working on it.

So please provide your numbers, your evidence
 

Wandering Monk

Well-Known Member
I've heard the argumemt many times that injustices occur often in the name of religion, but I've found it interesting that the same could also be said about Atheism. So what is true about Atheistic ideologies.

What about those who have died in the name of atheistic philosophies such as:

"marxism, socialism, communism, maoism, Nazism, fascism, totalitarianism, libertarianism, monopolistic capitalism, robber barronism, industrialization, secularism, jingoism, anarchism, social darwinism, eugenics, malthusianism, messianic scientism, nihilism, anti-humanist terrorism, individualism, narcissism, physicalism, materialism, consumerism, modernism, postmodernism, nietzscheism, Marquis de Sade's sadism, (i.e., sadistic murders) moral relativism, hedonism, radical feminism, (i.e., abortions, infanticide, suicide, false claims of rape) radical environmentalism, (i.e., ecological terrorism) Anton LaVey's satanism, (i.e., ritual murders) and the "Law of Attraction." (i.e., the deaths, including suicides, caused by Peter Popoff, Sylvia Browne and other gurus") All of these atheistic philosophies have resulted in the deaths of countless hundreds of millions of human beings. In comparison, the deaths caused by religion seem almost quaint and insignificant."

...What do you say about the hundreds of millions of deaths from the above? Which come from the source below..?

Atheist Myth: “No One Has Ever Killed in the Name of Atheism”

A bit obsessed with atheists lately, ain'tcha?
 

ChristineM

"Be strong", I whispered to my coffee.
Premium Member
Marx, Lenin, Trotsky and Stalin disagree with you, but what would they know... ;)

Lenin: "Atheism is a natural and inseparable part of Marxism"
Leon Trotsky: “We must rid ourselves once and for all of the Quaker-Papist babble about the sanctity of human life”.

Excerpts from Karl Marx: A Contribution to the Critique of Hegel’s Philosophy of Right

"The criticism of religion is the prerequisite of all criticism.

It is our duty to destroy every religious world-concept... If the destruction of ten million human beings, as happened in the last war, should be necessary for the triumph of one definite class, then that must be done and it will be done.

The criticism of religion leads to the doctrine according to which man is, for man, the supreme being; therefore it reaches the categorical imperative of overthrowing all relationships in which man is a degraded, enslaved, abandoned, contemptible being.

There therefore was no distinction between [Marxism's] philosophical views regarding atheism and its political views.

The struggle against religion is, therefore, indirectly the struggle against that world whose spiritual aroma is religion.

The abolition of religion as the illusory happiness of the people is the demand for their real happiness.

Thus, the criticism of Heaven turns into the criticism of Earth, the criticism of religion into the criticism of law, and the criticism of theology into the criticism of politics."

Religion and communism are incompatible, both theoretically and practically.

Struggle against religion is a struggle for socialism"




There can be no doubt that the fact that the new state of the USSR led by the communist party, with a program permeated by the spirit of militant atheism, gives the reason why this state is successfully surmounting the great difficulties that stand in its way - that neither "heavenly powers" nor the exhortations of all the priests in all the world can prevent its attaining its aims it has set itself Yemelyan Yaroslavsky



It is furthermore imperative to put the propaganda of atheism on solid ground. You won't achieve much with the weapons of Marx and materialism, as we have seen. Materialism and religion are two different planes and they don't coincide. If a fool speaks from the heavens and the sage from a factory--they won't understand one another. The sage needs to hit the fool with his stick, with his weapon. Gorky, Letter to Stalin

And Stalin was a orthodox Christian who restored the church in Russia, donated millions of rubles to the church, was known as the only christian in the kremlin and had not 1, not 2 but 3 bishops (no less) officiate at his funeral

Also remember that many of those killed in the soviet purges were atheist
 
You counted in a few minutes? Wow, i have been worried on that for years trying to get some of the obscure information and am still working on it.

You've never provided a shred of evidence

So please provide your numbers, your evidence

For that list to be 800 million, each event would need to be 20 million+ deaths average, is that what you are claiming?

Just list the 10 biggest and see how many you can get...
 

QuestioningMind

Well-Known Member
Marx, Lenin, Trotsky and Stalin disagree with you, but what would they know... ;)

Lenin: "Atheism is a natural and inseparable part of Marxism"
Leon Trotsky: “We must rid ourselves once and for all of the Quaker-Papist babble about the sanctity of human life”.

Excerpts from Karl Marx: A Contribution to the Critique of Hegel’s Philosophy of Right

"The criticism of religion is the prerequisite of all criticism.

It is our duty to destroy every religious world-concept... If the destruction of ten million human beings, as happened in the last war, should be necessary for the triumph of one definite class, then that must be done and it will be done.

The criticism of religion leads to the doctrine according to which man is, for man, the supreme being; therefore it reaches the categorical imperative of overthrowing all relationships in which man is a degraded, enslaved, abandoned, contemptible being.

There therefore was no distinction between [Marxism's] philosophical views regarding atheism and its political views.

The struggle against religion is, therefore, indirectly the struggle against that world whose spiritual aroma is religion.

The abolition of religion as the illusory happiness of the people is the demand for their real happiness.

Thus, the criticism of Heaven turns into the criticism of Earth, the criticism of religion into the criticism of law, and the criticism of theology into the criticism of politics."

Religion and communism are incompatible, both theoretically and practically.

Struggle against religion is a struggle for socialism"




There can be no doubt that the fact that the new state of the USSR led by the communist party, with a program permeated by the spirit of militant atheism, gives the reason why this state is successfully surmounting the great difficulties that stand in its way - that neither "heavenly powers" nor the exhortations of all the priests in all the world can prevent its attaining its aims it has set itself Yemelyan Yaroslavsky



It is furthermore imperative to put the propaganda of atheism on solid ground. You won't achieve much with the weapons of Marx and materialism, as we have seen. Materialism and religion are two different planes and they don't coincide. If a fool speaks from the heavens and the sage from a factory--they won't understand one another. The sage needs to hit the fool with his stick, with his weapon. Gorky, Letter to Stalin

And none of that had ANYTHING to do with a lack of belief in any god or gods. It was ALL about control over the population. You can't have folks worshiping a god when the goal is to have them worship the state.
 

Nakosis

Non-Binary Physicalist
Premium Member
I've heard the argumemt many times that injustices occur often in the name of religion, but I've found it interesting that the same could also be said about Atheism. So what is true about Atheistic ideologies.

What about those who have died in the name of atheistic philosophies such as:

"marxism, socialism, communism, maoism, Nazism, fascism, totalitarianism, libertarianism, monopolistic capitalism, robber barronism, industrialization, secularism, jingoism, anarchism, social darwinism, eugenics, malthusianism, messianic scientism, nihilism, anti-humanist terrorism, individualism, narcissism, physicalism, materialism, consumerism, modernism, postmodernism, nietzscheism, Marquis de Sade's sadism, (i.e., sadistic murders) moral relativism, hedonism, radical feminism, (i.e., abortions, infanticide, suicide, false claims of rape) radical environmentalism, (i.e., ecological terrorism) Anton LaVey's satanism, (i.e., ritual murders) and the "Law of Attraction." (i.e., the deaths, including suicides, caused by Peter Popoff, Sylvia Browne and other gurus") All of these atheistic philosophies have resulted in the deaths of countless hundreds of millions of human beings. In comparison, the deaths caused by religion seem almost quaint and insignificant."

...What do you say about the hundreds of millions of deaths from the above? Which come from the source below..?

Atheist Myth: “No One Has Ever Killed in the Name of Atheism”

How about no atheist has ever killed in the name of God? They may have had other reasons but they don't blame their actions on God.

Most groups are killed/persecuted because of political movements. Christianity need not be political but often becomes political. Atheism ought not to be political but that doesn't mean you aren't going to find people willing to go there.
 
And Stalin was a orthodox Christian who restored the church in Russia, donated millions of rubles to the church, was known as the only christian in the kremlin and had not 1, not 2 but 3 bishops (no less) officiate at his funeral

:rolleyes:

This is absolute, total nonsense.

Stalin's seminary noted he was an atheist, Stalin acknowledged he was an atheist. Stalin implemented an "atheist 5 year plan", called for the liquidation of the clergy, killed tens of thousands of clergy and implemented policies that led to the almost complete destruction of the Church.

He changed his anti-religious policies during WW2 after Germany attacked and used the Church for domestic morale and as an instrument of foreign policy in order to score points with Britain and America to generate more support and to encourage an opening of a 2nd front against Germany.

It was noted in Party documents that this was not a change in policy regarding the Church and State Atheism, but a means to an end. After the war, the policies started to be reversed again and the atheist and anti-religious propaganda was increased again.

The seminary journal reports that Stalin declared himself an atheist, stalked out of prayers, chatted in class, was late for tea and refused to doff his hat to monks. He had eleven more warnings... [Stalin] adored Gogol, Saltykov-Shchedrin and Chekhov, whose works he memorized and “could recite by heart.” He admired Tolstoy “but was bored by his Christianity,” later in life scrawling “ha-ha-ha!” beside Tolstoyan musings on redemption and salvation... In his seventies, the dictator was still chuckling about these arguments. “I became an atheist in the first year,” he said, which led to arguments with other boys such as his pious friend Simon Natroshvili.
Young Stalin - S. Sebag-Motefiore

the party and Soviet power have not altered their principled attitude to religion and the church ... especially since the clergy has been making attempts to enhance church influence among the masses ... by preaching that the motherland and the church, Orthodoxy and patriotism are inseparable ... that a nation is strong only as long as it keeps its faith.

The memorandum then explained that in conditions of war it was necessary to come to an accommodation with the church because of 'its political weight owing to its influence upon the masses ... still having tens of millions of faithful'. Party workers should therefore educate the believers 'in the true scientific world view', and draw them away from the church; but 'crude attacks on religion and the church are particularly intolerable as long as the war lasts ...'. Party workers should explain to the population that the exchanges of greetings between Stalin and the hierarchs occur not because the latter are church officials, but because they are Soviet citizens helping the war effort...

In short, instead of playing the role of a world religious leader, which if successful would have forced the Soviet authorities to treat the church with as much respect as Stalin did in 1943, it became merely a secondary tool of Soviet foreign policy; useful, but not so vital as to force the Soviet government to modify its internal policies towards the church. What
is more, the Cold War was now firmly established, and Stalin was practising increasing isolationism - foreign policy itself, and particularly its propaganda aspect, were becoming matters of secondary importance to him.

It was therefore no coincidence that 1948 saw the last opening of a new seminary (Saratov). Thereafter all pleas to open seminaries were rejected. Antireligious propaganda was considerably enhanced and before the end of 1949 a net decline in the number of operating churches set in. The ‘best years’ of Stalin's church policy (1942–1948) in the light of archival documents - Dimitry Pospielovsky
 

ChristineM

"Be strong", I whispered to my coffee.
Premium Member
Many of these suffer from the same problem that those mentionned in the OP. They are massacres perpetrated by religious people yes, but not always, mainly or only in the name of religion. Some are also unrelated to religion like the Rwanda Genocide which is actually due to a racialist division imposed upon those people during the Belgian occupation.

The religious element in the Rwanda Genocide was a big part of the massacres

See several papers on the role of religion
Rwanda Genocide religious element - Google Search
 

Saint Frankenstein

Wanderer From Afar
Premium Member
I've heard the argumemt many times that injustices occur often in the name of religion, but I've found it interesting that the same could also be said about Atheism. So what is true about Atheistic ideologies.

What about those who have died in the name of atheistic philosophies such as:

"marxism, socialism, communism, maoism, Nazism, fascism, totalitarianism, libertarianism, monopolistic capitalism, robber barronism, industrialization, secularism, jingoism, anarchism, social darwinism, eugenics, malthusianism, messianic scientism, nihilism, anti-humanist terrorism, individualism, narcissism, physicalism, materialism, consumerism, modernism, postmodernism, nietzscheism, Marquis de Sade's sadism, (i.e., sadistic murders) moral relativism, hedonism, radical feminism, (i.e., abortions, infanticide, suicide, false claims of rape) radical environmentalism, (i.e., ecological terrorism) Anton LaVey's satanism, (i.e., ritual murders) and the "Law of Attraction." (i.e., the deaths, including suicides, caused by Peter Popoff, Sylvia Browne and other gurus") All of these atheistic philosophies have resulted in the deaths of countless hundreds of millions of human beings. In comparison, the deaths caused by religion seem almost quaint and insignificant."

...What do you say about the hundreds of millions of deaths from the above? Which come from the source below..?

Atheist Myth: “No One Has Ever Killed in the Name of Atheism”
While Marxism-Leninism is certainly an atheistic ideology that has tens of millions of deaths on its hands, a lot of those are nonsense and don't belong on there.

For example, no one was killed due to LaVayen Satanism. Satanic ritual murders are largely a myth. When they do happen, it's usually psychotic teens or young adults killing someone as a dedication to the evil fallen angel of Christianity. LaVayen Satanists have no such beliefs. Their Satan is just a metaphor for individualism and nature.

Sylvia Browne was a New Age Christian and Peter Popoff is a Christian charlatan. I haven't heard of anyone killing themselves over their teachings, though.

That list is just a mess.
 
And none of that had ANYTHING to do with a lack of belief in any god or gods. It was ALL about control over the population. You can't have folks worshiping a god when the goal is to have them worship the state.

Marx, Lenin, Stalin, etc.: "I think this..."

Chap on the internet who nominally claims to be rational and makes decisions based on evidence: "Actually, you are all wrong and you all think something completely different that conforms to my ideological prejudices."
 

ChristineM

"Be strong", I whispered to my coffee.
Premium Member
:rolleyes:

This is absolute, total nonsense.

Stalin's seminary noted he was an atheist, Stalin acknowledged he was an atheist. Stalin implemented an "atheist 5 year plan", called for the liquidation of the clergy, killed tens of thousands of clergy and implemented policies that led to the almost complete destruction of the Church.

He changed his anti-religious policies during WW2 after Germany attacked and used the Church for domestic morale and as an instrument of foreign policy in order to score points with Britain and America to generate more support and to encourage an opening of a 2nd front against Germany.

It was noted in Party documents that this was not a change in policy regarding the Church and State Atheism, but a means to an end. After the war, the policies started to be reversed again and the atheist and anti-religious propaganda was increased again.

The seminary journal reports that Stalin declared himself an atheist, stalked out of prayers, chatted in class, was late for tea and refused to doff his hat to monks. He had eleven more warnings... [Stalin] adored Gogol, Saltykov-Shchedrin and Chekhov, whose works he memorized and “could recite by heart.” He admired Tolstoy “but was bored by his Christianity,” later in life scrawling “ha-ha-ha!” beside Tolstoyan musings on redemption and salvation... In his seventies, the dictator was still chuckling about these arguments. “I became an atheist in the first year,” he said, which led to arguments with other boys such as his pious friend Simon Natroshvili.
Young Stalin - S. Sebag-Motefiore

the party and Soviet power have not altered their principled attitude to religion and the church ... especially since the clergy has been making attempts to enhance church influence among the masses ... by preaching that the motherland and the church, Orthodoxy and patriotism are inseparable ... that a nation is strong only as long as it keeps its faith.

The memorandum then explained that in conditions of war it was necessary to come to an accommodation with the church because of 'its political weight owing to its influence upon the masses ... still having tens of millions of faithful'. Party workers should therefore educate the believers 'in the true scientific world view', and draw them away from the church; but 'crude attacks on religion and the church are particularly intolerable as long as the war lasts ...'. Party workers should explain to the population that the exchanges of greetings between Stalin and the hierarchs occur not because the latter are church officials, but because they are Soviet citizens helping the war effort...

In short, instead of playing the role of a world religious leader, which if successful would have forced the Soviet authorities to treat the church with as much respect as Stalin did in 1943, it became merely a secondary tool of Soviet foreign policy; useful, but not so vital as to force the Soviet government to modify its internal policies towards the church. What
is more, the Cold War was now firmly established, and Stalin was practising increasing isolationism - foreign policy itself, and particularly its propaganda aspect, were becoming matters of secondary importance to him.

It was therefore no coincidence that 1948 saw the last opening of a new seminary (Saratov). Thereafter all pleas to open seminaries were rejected. Antireligious propaganda was considerably enhanced and before the end of 1949 a net decline in the number of operating churches set in. The ‘best years’ of Stalin's church policy (1942–1948) in the light of archival documents - Dimitry Pospielovsky


No it isn't

Although a lot of revisionist history will tell you so much that you agree with. But i notice you have not provided first hand evidence.


Stalin never acknowledged he was atheist, the only accusation of Atheism was made after his death by someone who went to seminary with him.
 

epronovost

Well-Known Member
The religious element in the Rwanda Genocide was a big part of the massacres

See several papers on the role of religion
Rwanda Genocide religious element - Google Search

If you follow your own research you will find texts like these file:///C:/Users/etien/Downloads/67316-Article%20Text-81201-1-10-20171119%20(1).pdf that make the argument that religion was a factor of stabilisation and mitigation of genocidal violence, not the opposite. It does also make the argument that historically, the RCC has helped Belgium setup the social strctures that would lead to the Genocide and that religious people did participate in the slaughter, but it doesn't really demonstrate or even attempt to demonstrate that the genocide was supported by appeal to religion or within sectarian lines.
 
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ChristineM

"Be strong", I whispered to my coffee.
Premium Member
You've never provided a shred of evidence

Works both ways doesn't it.

For that list to be 800 million, each event would need to be 20 million+ deaths average, is that what you are claiming?

Just list the 10 biggest and see how many you can get...

There are more than 10 with death toll alongside which total around 150 million, not necessarily the biggest though
 

Brickjectivity

wind and rain touch not this brain
Staff member
Premium Member
Sometimes atheists only believe what their fathers tell them. Sometimes its their mothers. Sometimes its neither or both. Statistically speaking since you can't always tell you have about a 33% chance of guessing. -- Just my 2 cents and contribution to the conversation.
 
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