Atheist Myth: “No One Has Ever Killed in the Name of Atheism”

[lewisnotmiller]

I'll just continue making more ad nauseum. Just like the Atheists do to the religious. @Skwim hardly ever defends his threads, he often just posts them and pops in once in a while. I can do that too.

No need to capitalise 'atheist'.

 

[Cooky]

Dude at least half your list weren’t even explicit Atheists lol. Anyone who claims the Nazis of all people were atheists needs to read a history book. I mean Hitler might have been in private, I’m not sure. But he rather famously used religious justification.
And De Sade started the Libertine artistic movement, he only killed people in his fiction. Like wtf are you talking about? The worse De Sade did is sexual assault but he was also a rich nobleman living in like the 1700s. I wouldn’t go to such a person for moral advice lmao

Hey, don't blame me, I didn't pen the link.

 

[Tambourine]

I'll just continue making more ad nauseum. Just like the Atheists do to the religious. @Skwim hardly ever defends his threads, he often just posts them and pops in once in a while. I can do that too.

Okay. Does this make you feel better, or is there at least any other point to it?

 

[Cooky]

Because Landon Caeli has a "bigorty attack" and doesn't think straight at the moment. Note that this is also the answer to your last post.

Get used to it.

 

[Tambourine]

Dude at least half your list weren’t even explicit Atheists lol. Anyone who claims the Nazis of all people were atheists needs to read a history book. I mean Hitler might have been in private, I’m not sure. But he rather famously used religious justification.
And De Sade started the Libertine artistic movement, he only killed people in his fiction. Like wtf are you talking about? The worse De Sade did is sexual assault but he was also a rich nobleman living in like the 1700s. I wouldn’t go to such a person for moral advice lmao

Hitler was baptized as a Catholic Christian, like most of the Austrian population, and while I would say that his Christianity was dubious at best, he never renounced it at any point, as far as I know (unlike e.g. Himmler who was all about neopagan occultism)

 

[Cooky]

Okay. Does this make you feel better, or is there at least any other point to it?

Awareness. Just know that atheists have killed more than religious, and have historically leaned toward authoritarianism.

...But I'm still learning. I'll get much better at this as time moves on.

 

[Tambourine]

Awareness. Just know that atheists have killed more than religious, and have historically leaned toward authoritarianism.

So if your ideology killed 100 million people and mine only killed 90, mine's better?

You can base authoritarian government on literally any ideology available. There have been plenty of authoritarian societies that were strictly religious (arguably, for the majority of recorded history, as democratic rule was not the norm prior to the 20th century) just as there have been explicitly atheistic authoritarianisms, and authoritarian regimes that were largely indifferent to the question of religion altogether.

Even in the 21st century, we still have all sorts of authoritarianists justifying their reprehensible views with their religion, be it Christian, Muslim, Jewish, Hindu or Buddhist, but also plenty who don't care about religion at all.

 

[sun rise]

moral relativism

Many Christians espouse versions of moral relativism - not all are absolutists.

radical environmentalism

There are many believers who are environmentalists, some pretty radical.

Struggle against religion is a struggle for socialism"

That was his opinion. Christian socialists who believe that capitalism enshrines the sin of greed would totally disagree with that view. Christian socialism - Wikipedia

 

[Augustus]

Although a lot of revisionist history will tell you so much that you agree with. But i notice you have not provided first hand evidence.


Stalin never acknowledged he was atheist, the only accusation of Atheism was made after his death by someone who went to seminary with him.

I notice you never provide any evidence whatsoever or display any understanding of contemporary (or historical) scholarship. For example you claim it is 'revisionist' to consider Stalin an atheist which is ludicrous as it has always been the practically unanimous consensus view.

You also ignore all evidence presented to you and make silly claims like "the only accusation of Atheism was made after his death" despite there being multiple pieces of evidence against this in the post you replied to.

 

[epronovost]

So if your ideology killed 100 million people and mine only killed 90, mine's better?

You can base authoritarian government on literally any ideology available. There have been plenty of authoritarian societies that were strictly religious (arguably, for the majority of recorded history, as democratic rule was not the norm prior to the 20th century) just as there have been explicitly atheistic authoritarianisms, and authoritarian regimes that were largely indifferent to the question of religion altogether.

Even in the 21st century, we still have all sorts of authoritarianists justifying their reprehensible views with their religion, be it Christian, Muslim, Jewish, Hindu or Buddhist.

Technically, democracy is a product of humanism which itself a secular ideology, not a religious one.

 

[Cooky]

So if your ideology killed 100 million people and mine only killed 90, mine's better?

You can base authoritarian government on literally any ideology available. There have been plenty of authoritarian societies that were strictly religious (arguably, for the majority of recorded history, as democratic rule was not the norm prior to the 20th century) just as there have been explicitly atheistic authoritarianisms, and authoritarian regimes that were largely indifferent to the question of religion altogether.

Even in the 21st century, we still have all sorts of authoritarianists justifying their reprehensible views with their religion, be it Christian, Muslim, Jewish, Hindu or Buddhist, but also plenty who don't care about religion at all.

It doesn't matter. My goal is to shine a negative light on Atheism just as what's done here to religion. It's my duty now.

 

[Tambourine]

Technically, democracy is a product of humanism which itself a secular ideology, not a religious one.

On the other hand, some of the very early conceptions of human rights were rooted in a belief of a benevolent divine force implanting human beings with inalienable rights.

And it's worth noting that one of the earliest experiments with a democracy rooted in humanism and secularism ended in a blood bath. So it's not like one couldn't also use a secular humanist ideology to justify doing terrible things to other human beings.

 

[Tambourine]

It doesn't matter. My goal is to shine a negative light on Atheism just as what's done here to religion. It's my duty now.

Sorry, but I only see ridiculous overgeneralizations that serve no real purpose except to justify one's beliefs to oneself.

 

[McBell]

Odd... I never see you criticize all the links by The Friendly Atheist. The bias is clear as day.

Interesting.
Do you feel pointing this out negates any facts he brings to the table which refute your post?
If so, why and how?

If not, then why the attack on him, and not the content of his post?

 

[McBell]

I'll just continue making more ad nauseum. Just like the Atheists do to the religious. @Skwim hardly ever defends his threads, he often just posts them and pops in once in a while. I can do that too.

So you are saying your are no better than @Skwim?
You should really stop whining about him then, eh?

 

[Augustus]

Works both ways doesn't it.

Usually the onus is on the person who makes an outlandish claim to support it with evidence

There are more than 10 with death toll alongside which total around 150 million, not necessarily the biggest though

No there isn't, only 2 have death tolls, both are likely significantly overstated and in any case total 17.5 million not 800 million.

Even if we imagine they did total 150 million, if the top 10 total 150 million (which they don't), where do you think the other 650 million comes from?

 

[Twilight Hue]

I've heard the argumemt many times that injustices occur often in the name of religion, but I've found it interesting that the same could also be said about Atheism. So what is true about Atheistic ideologies.

What about those who have died in the name of atheistic philosophies such as:

"marxism, socialism, communism, maoism, Nazism, fascism, totalitarianism, libertarianism, monopolistic capitalism, robber barronism, industrialization, secularism, jingoism, anarchism, social darwinism, eugenics, malthusianism, messianic scientism, nihilism, anti-humanist terrorism, individualism, narcissism, physicalism, materialism, consumerism, modernism, postmodernism, nietzscheism, Marquis de Sade's sadism, (i.e., sadistic murders) moral relativism, hedonism, radical feminism, (i.e., abortions, infanticide, suicide, false claims of rape) radical environmentalism, (i.e., ecological terrorism) Anton LaVey's satanism, (i.e., ritual murders) and the "Law of Attraction." (i.e., the deaths, including suicides, caused by Peter Popoff, Sylvia Browne and other gurus") All of these atheistic philosophies have resulted in the deaths of countless hundreds of millions of human beings. In comparison, the deaths caused by religion seem almost quaint and insignificant."

...What do you say about the hundreds of millions of deaths from the above? Which come from the source below..?

Atheist Myth: “No One Has Ever Killed in the Name of Atheism”

Does that mean every theist that killed was over their specific religion? How about the usual suspects like territorial disputes, crimes of passion, acquisition of money excetera?

I'm curious. Where was atheism specifically mentioned as the primary reason from a historical standpoint?

 

[epronovost]

On the other hand, some of the very early conceptions of human rights were rooted in a belief of a benevolent divine force implanting human beings with inalienable rights.

And it's worth noting that one of the earliest experiments with a democracy rooted in humanism and secularism ended in a blood bath. So it's not like one couldn't also use a secular humanist ideology to justify doing terrible things to other human beings.

Come to think of it, I don't think any democracy was created without a blood bath at one point or another. People with power are not in the hbit of surrendering it to those they used to dominate.

 

[Secret Chief]

I'm going to run out of popcorn at this rate.

 

[Augustus]

Marxism as penned by Marx is actually a deeply humanist philosophy that seeks the betterment of all of mankind.

One could just as easily argue that the expectation of rewards in the afterlife caused Christians to disregard human life when they turned on each other in the European wars of religion, or the gruesome purges of the Inquisition, or the mass psychosis that were the Witch Hunts.

One can legitimately say some wars have been fought for religious reasons, estimates tend towards 6-9% of total wars.

Whether their total death toll exceeds that of communism is open to debate.