BobbyisStrange
The Adversary
You wouldn't call the disbelief in Santa, Easter bunny or tooth fairy a belief system.
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Atheism - I don't understand it
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BobbyisStrange
The Adversary
It's a disbelief system... and I can't believe you didn't see the humor in my post.
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Reptillian
Hamburgler Extraordinaire
I was foolishly once a leprechaun agnostic, but once I accepted their existence through faith, I was able to learn many interesting facts about them. They hide pots of gold at the end of rainbows, wear buckles on their shoes, and if you catch one it might grant you a wish. I don't understand how some people can't believe in leprechauns...I mean the evidence is right there in the open. After all, rainbows, gold, and shoe buckles exist.
Scuba Pete
Le plongeur avec attitude...
I would and do! My faith in Santa was destroyed by Johnnie Dalhquist's evidence to the contrary. It was replaced with an even stronger faith that Santa doesn't exist. That disbelief system allowed me to play Santa to my children so that they too, may join in the fun and frolic that losing a treasured belief entails. Mon Dieu! In spite of my training to be an atheist, I still believe in God.
camanintx
Well-Known Member
Why don't you believe in Zeus, Thor, Ra or any of the hundreds of other Gods humans have created to explain the world around them? When you can answer this question, you will understand why I don't believe in your God.
A Troubled Man
Active Member
This is the answer to your own question, except the correct word is "indoctrinated' in place of 'taught.'
A-ManESL
Well-Known Member
Perhaps, but firstly a believer in the sense you are talking about does not equal a Muslim. The Quran (verse 49:14) distinguishes between a believer (roughly a person to whom that evidence you are talking of has become self evident) and a Muslim (who has submitted but has not seen the evidence). At least that's the Quranic view in my opinion.
But what you have still not clarified that why isn't agnosticism isn't a natural position for you then.
Koldo
Outstanding Member
How do you define 'atheism' and 'agnosticism'?
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BobbyisStrange
The Adversary
I don't think you can have faith something doesn't exist, that's the problem. In order to have faith you have to believe it exists.
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A-ManESL
Well-Known Member
Thank you for your reply. Don't you feel it would be also natural for you to be agnostic. Can one be an agnostic and an atheist?
A-ManESL
Well-Known Member
By atheism I understand that this school of thought posits that there is no God.
By agnosticism I understand that this school of thought posits that there may be a God or may be not.
Gjallarhorn
N'yog-Sothep
Agnostic atheism: "I cannot be certain, but I don't believe in God".
A-ManESL
Well-Known Member
Do agnostic atheists base this belief (or non-belief rather) on their gut feeling. If not, on what is this based?
Gjallarhorn
N'yog-Sothep
For some, perhaps. Many base it in lack of evidence. "There is nothing saying a god doesn't exist, but I have no reason to believe one does (until evidence shows otherwise)".
We base it on the lack of a gut feeling.
(Feelings are the path to faith in the unverifiable.)
BobbyisStrange
The Adversary
We don't rely on gut feelings, we rely on evidence.
A-ManESL
Well-Known Member
lol...I am as puzzled as ever. Its a logical conundrum. The atheistic axiom seems to be: If there is no evidence of some statement X then there should be no reason to accept it. Right?
Now in place of X if I write "God doesnt exist" then I have the logical conclusion:
There is no evidence of the validity of the statement "God doesn't exist" hence there should be no reason to accept this statement.
(Unless of course, there is a reason like some of the posters said: their personal experiences etc)
Now in place of X if I write "God doesnt exist" then I have the logical conclusion:
There is no evidence of the validity of the statement "God doesn't exist" hence there should be no reason to accept this statement.
(Unless of course, there is a reason like some of the posters said: their personal experiences etc)
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Gjallarhorn
N'yog-Sothep
Now replace X with "My two-headed polka-dotted dragon-weasel doesn't exist."
Gjallarhorn
N'yog-Sothep
So, you have no belief as to whether my two-headed polka-dotted dragon-weasel exists? Nothing at all?
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