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[Sunstone]

I hope you fully realize you are making fun of my messiah.

 

[McBell]

I hope you fully realize you are making fun of my messiah.

 

[Engyo]

What are you talking about?

It sounded to me like a description of upper management, rather than the workers.

 

[Sunstone]

OK. I grant you he's not much as messiahs go. But I'm not much of a disciple, and it is a fact he walks on bull manure.

 

[Gloone]

It sounded to me like a description of upper management, rather than the workers.

Actually it is both. In a free-market world, that we have in America, if someone doesn't like their job they find another or talk to their Boss or employer about it. I already stated that the employer level is outdated along with unions all together. So how about you answer your question for me.

So, it's OK for employers to have a monopoly over their workers, but the workers have no recourse when their employer imposes egregious workong conditions on them?

 

[Engyo]

Actually it is both. In a free-market world, that we have in America, if someone doesn't like their job they find another or talk to their Boss or employer about it. I already stated that the employer level is outdated along with unions all together. So how about you answer your question for me.

I believe it needs to be as equal a partnership as possible. That rarely happens in practice, however. Laws and regulations tend to be put in place when one side or other egregiously overbalances the equation, and creates either embarassments or atrocities, or both.

You seem to be saying that such things can no longer happen in the 21st century.

I don't agree with that particular opinion.

 

[Wannabe Yogi]

Ok! That is what I belonged to at the steel mill. So, what's your point? You gat one?

No just engaging in union education which is the idea of this thread.

 

[angellous_evangellous]

OK. I grant you he's not much as messiahs go. But I'm not much of a disciple, and it is a fact he walks on bull manure.

Now that's a stunningly sharp wit.

I don't ever be your messiah.

 

[Debunker]

That's a hefty claim.

I think that Christians can be mislead into hating their neighbor and their freedom by embracing destructive political ideologies, including (but not limited to) neo-conservativism. Sometimes Christians will highjack Scripture to support this view, sometimes they have the good sense not to.

Christians can also embrace the message of the NT, which is (in our political system) more conducive to helping our fellow man in the context of liberty rather than exploiting him and degrading ourselves with policies that encourage the destruction of our neighbor, whether by starving him, withholding basic rights, or denying him access to healthcare.... or even worse, ripping his body apart through illegal and aggressive wars.

I have not done any of these things of which you speak, now have I? I do not even hate Obama who is clearly selling our country out, as some liberals on this forum openly hate GW Bush. I agree, however, that one should live a Christian lifestyle in their ethics as well as their political philosophy. It is good that you point that fact out to me since as I have stated that I regard you as a brother in Christ.

Sense you are a Christian, it astonishes me that you think so poorly of your own country. It is not the USA that is not helping our fellow man. You can not name a country that has helped its fellow man more, can you? We have no policies that lead to the destruction of our fellow man. You speak as if it were fact that the USA is the leader in world terror instead of the main defender of liberty in the world, now don't you?

We feed the world and are far from starving the world, but your animosity towards Republicans forces you to deny this fact. What basic rights have we withheld from the citizens of another country? You make claims out of bitterness rather than facts.

How can providing the best and most comprehensive health care system in the world be called denying health care?The argument in politics is whether liberals grabbing political power is the best way to provide medical care ot whether it is more prudent to allow the people's capitalist system to provide universal health care for Americans. The idea that the people will achieve its goal has a far better record than socialistic attempts in the rest of the world. But, your prejudices will not allow you to see this as fact. You still think of American idealism as a fantasy. You are in great error here.

What angry and aggressive war? If any country ever had good reason to strike out at Iraq and Afghanistan, it was the USA. If your only objection is that Iraq did not have weapons of mass destruction at the time we invaded Iraq, everybody knew they did and the question should have been asked, what did they do with these WMD's. To blame Bush was a political strategy and not a patriotic effort to defend America. Today, to your dissatisfaction, the majority of people know this truth, thanks to Fox and the conservatives you resent so badly.

In summary, I ask you to embrace the New Testament view of brotherhood and fair political behavior by adjusting your attitude towards fellow Christians in different political parties. Christians should be able to point out truth to each other without all this great name calling and anger, don't you agree?

 

[angellous_evangellous]

Debunker,

I think that you actually believe what you're saying.

There's no intelligent response to this because your post simply has no basis in anything even close to reality.

All I can do is offer you a donut.

 

[Debunker]

No just engaging in union education which is the idea of this thread.

Ok! I am good with that. Remember, true education tells both sides of the story. Propaganda is different from education. There are good reasons that industry is moving South with a different labor/management model. Are you going to speak to this fact also?

 

[Engyo]

Ok! I am good with that. Remember, true education tells both sides of the story. Propaganda is different from education. There are good reasons that industry is moving South with a different labor/management model. Are you going to speak to this fact also?

I'm curious - do you believe that you are educating folks here with your postings based on your definitions above?

 

[Willamena]

I have found that most people just have no idea about how Unions work. With all the unrest in Wisconsin, I think it might be of some help to better understand the nature of a Labor Union.

I have a question about the "unrest," rather than about the union. What is the state's beef against collective bargaining rights?

 

[sandandfoam]

I have a question about the "unrest," rather than about the union. What is the state's beef against collective bargaining rights?

They probably found the peasants revolting

 

[Engyo]

They probably found the peasants revolting

Who did that one first? I have a Farside book by that title, I believe.......

 

[Debunker]

I'm curious - do you believe that you are educating folks here with your postings based on your definitions above?

Yes, I do but better than that, I point out the American majority view to a minority opinion on a forum that pretends to be the majority.

 

[angellous_evangellous]

Yes, I do but better than that, I point out the American majority view to a minority opinion on a forum that pretends to be the majority.

Impressive.

 

[Engyo]

Yes, I do but better than that, I point out the American majority view to a minority opinion on a forum that pretends to be the majority.

Hmmmm, then I guess you must have learned or be using very different definitions of the words 'education', 'both sides', 'propaganda', 'majority' and 'minority' than I learned.

 

[Debunker]

Hmmmm, then I guess you must have learned or be using very different definitions of the words 'education', 'both sides', 'propaganda', 'majority' and 'minority' than I learned.

Whoever said you learned the right stuff?

 

[Engyo]

Whoever said you learned the right stuff?

Obviously not you.........but then I would expect that.