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Discussion in 'Religious Debates' started by WitnessofJah, Nov 11, 2004.

  1. kreeden

    kreeden Virus of the Mind

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    Soultype , he is " witnessing " , which is what they do . Actually , a forum like this is a great way to do it too , I might add . :)

    Witness , I didn't mean that the Watchtower over ruled the Bible , when I refered to it as a guideline . You have to admit that it is such , in that it is the way that the { I'm not sure of the term , but the Higher Elders of the Church } reachs each local church , and sends ... well , guidelines . :) I am fully award of your concerns about the blood issue , and where they come from . The only question I had was that there appears to be a slight difference in the view of blood now then there was when I studied . I was just curious where it came from and how it came about . Which you have answered as best as you could . Thank you .
     
  2. Rozs

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    Did God created the heavens and the earth in a seven-24 hour day period?
    I mean the sime time that is in earth?

    Thanx!!!
     
  3. SoulTYPE

    SoulTYPE Well-Known Member

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    No, it was said that he did rest on the Sunday.
     
  4. Druidus

    Druidus Keeper of the Grove

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    Actually the Sabbath was Saturday. I think Christianity might have changed it a tad, so they would worship on different days. Don't know though. Correct me if I'm wrong.


    Incidentally, puritanistic Christians might want to consider a different system of time ;) :

    Sunday = Sun's Day (Helios, God of the Sun)
    Monday = Moon's Day (Luna/Selene, God of the Moon)
    Tuesday = Tiw's Day (God of War)
    Wednesday = Odin's Day (I believe Odin was pronounced "Wodin") King of the Gods
    Thursday = Thor's Day (No explanation needed) God of Lightning
    Friday = Freya's Day Goddes of Love
    Saturday = Saturn's Day God of Agricultural
    :D :jiggy:
     
  5. WitnessofJah

    WitnessofJah Member

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    Good question. :)

    To us, a "day" represents a 24 hour earthly period. However, another definition of "day" in the dictionary means that it can also mean "a specified time or period". In fact, the Hebrew word for "day," yohm, is used in a variety of ways in the Bible. For example, God on more than one occasion used the term "day" to refer to a year, for example, Numbers 13:34 says "A day for a year, a day for a year". So after looking at this evidence, it tells us that a "day" can refer to any particular length of time.

    So how long were the days of creation refered to in the Bible? Nobody knows for sure, but is very unlikely it was 24 hour day if you look at the evidence. The Bible says that God 'created the heavens and the earth in six days' and began to call the seventh day 'a day of rest' (Gen 2:3). The only logical conclusion that we can reach is that the seventh day has continued right on until now, since no creation has since taken place. Does the Bible support this? Yes.

    At Psalm 95:8-11, we read that Jehovah said to the Israelites in the wilderness that they would not enter into his rest because of the hardness of their hearts. This shows that God had been resting from works of the sort described in Genesis chapters one and two from the creation of Eve to that time, more than 2,500 years. So this means that his resting day would have at least been 2,500 years....and that does not include the time-period from King David's time until now, which makes it and grand total (and still counting) of at least 6,000 years.

    The conclusion? That the "day" of creation would have been at least several thousand years and not a human day of 24 hours.
     
  6. SoulTYPE

    SoulTYPE Well-Known Member

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    Oh jah dude, I thought I must have scared you off or something..
     
  7. cardero

    cardero Citizen Mod

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    Are Jehovah Witnesses considered part of Christianity?
     
  8. SoulTYPE

    SoulTYPE Well-Known Member

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    I believe thay are "considered" so, yes.
     
  9. WitnessofJah

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    Yes, but not mainstream Christianity.
     
  10. HelpMe

    HelpMe ·´sociopathic meanderer`·

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    why do you call [yhwh] jehovah?if you were to come across my friend carlos you would surely never call him charles...

    i am presenting you my information on the subject.

    Jehovah is composed of the abbreviated forms of the imperfect, the participle, and the perfect of the Hebrew verb "to be" (ye=yehi; ho=howeh; wa=hawah). According to this explanation, the meaning of Jehovah would be "he who will be, is, and has been". But such a word-formation has no analogy in the Hebrew language.

    The abbreviated form Jeho supposes the full form Jehovah. But the form Jehovah cannot account for the abbreviations Jahu and Jah, while the abbreviation Jeho may be derived from another word.

    The word Jehovah is a mistaken pronunciation of this word. It arose when a Christian scholar, Petrus Galatinus (~1520AD) combined the consonants YHWH with vowels belonging to the word Adonai. (YaHoWaH, it was written as Jahowah because in latin J is pronounced like Y). Jahowah was further anglicized as Jehovah.

    According to Harper's Bible Dictionnary, this name is "the result of the translators' ignorance of the Hebrew language and customs" (1985, p1036) The book of World Religions from Ancient History says "The name Jehovah is a medieval misreading and does not occur in the Hebrew Bible" (p.386)

    i like how you've taken to forget about defending the name 'jesus'.

    So what is His name?? "Strictly speaking, Yahweh is the only 'name' of God" (The Divine Name that will Endure Forever, p25). But why do they still use Jehovah?? "Because it has a familiarity that Yahweh does not have." (The Divine Name that will Endure Forever, p9)...But doesn't God tell us not to misuse His name? (Deuronomy 5:11)

    go to your local library, see if you can find this book.

    "The word Jehovah does not accurately represent any form of the Name ever used in Hebrew" (The Divine Name that will Endure Forever, p20, published by Watchtower Bible and Tract Society)

    Our purpose is not to follow erroneous traditions of men: "Howbeit in vain do they worship me, teaching [for] doctrines the commandments of men." (Mark 7:7)

    The mistaken name Jehovah is said to have been given us about 1518 by Peter Gallatin who was confessor to Pope Leo X. The efforts not withstanding Protestant reformers to return to the truth of the Bible, the majority of Protestants still retain the erroneous name Jehovah which was handed to us by the Catholics.

    Strong's Exhaustive Concordance is almost a necessity for gaining a deeper insight into the original languages. Notice in the Hebrew dictionary of Strong's No. 3050, the entry "Yahh," a contraction for 3068 [the Tetragrammaton, the Sacred Name].

    Shocking Implications of 'Jehovah'

    The suffix "hovah" is No. 1943 in Strong's Hebrew Dictionary and has the meaning of "ruin: mischief." It is another form of No. 1942, havvah, which is translated "calamity, iniquity, mischief, mischievous (thing), naughtiness, naughty, noisome, perverse thing, substance, very wickedness."

    Brown, Driver, Briggs, Gesenius says of No. 1943, hovah: "ruin, disaster."

    From this we can see the folly of calling the Creator of this universe-the One we worship-Jehovah. For in calling upon this hybrid name we are in actuality beseeching a mighty one whose name carries the meaning, "The One Who creates ruin, creates mischief, creates calamity, creates iniquity, creates naughtiness, creates perverse things, creates very wickedness."

    centuries is not milleniums, which is as long as [yhwh] has been recognized as the original name.

    and it doesn't matter how long it's been around, or how popular the kjv made it(so popular, that the nwt adopted straight from the kjv due solely to it's popularity, and not from any scholarly work on the name), it is not possibly the original name.

    try not reporting your hours.try having street clothes on during studys,preaching,and while attending a few meetings, let a beard grow as yeshua had.see what happens.defend reporting hours with the 'bible', defend claiming to be 'gad's true oranization even through all the mistakes and false prophesies?

    i think you'll take me wrong, alot of my friends are jw, and we share some beliefs.but these are simply some of the reasons i cannot give myself to the wtbs.


    intimidation, though mainstream christianity is as if not more guilty of this act, the possibility of the world ending turns people towards religion.see people waiting on death row, see how religous most of them become.

    Mt 20:23
    my friend was also discouraged and talked out of playing football(organized).they are also discouraged against the education of the world(i.e. college) and often times they work with the family.i've seen these things first hand in the local congregation.

    btw, if jw's believe in words like sunday,monday,ect.,god,lord, and holy then why don't they use the word church?it is seriously frowned upon, and that is blatently hypocritical.

    acts1:8

    love
     
  11. SoulTYPE

    SoulTYPE Well-Known Member

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    Jah, was my answer any good? Seemed to be much like yours.
     
  12. HelpMe

    HelpMe ·´sociopathic meanderer`·

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    your average christians do not consider jw's christian.i believe this is false but they simply label jw's as heretics.
     
  13. SoulTYPE

    SoulTYPE Well-Known Member

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    No, Helpme, you are right. But the JH dudes aren't your average christian either.

    NO OFFENSE WAS MEANT!(just coverin my arse lol)
     
  14. HelpMe

    HelpMe ·´sociopathic meanderer`·

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    what does 'no, you are right' mean?hah

    and what's a jh dude?
     
  15. cardero

    cardero Citizen Mod

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    I think that was where I was having this confusion. I was debating a Christian about the beliefs of Jehaovah's Witnesses and they vehemently denied that they were Christian. I went to the internet and found a graph that explains all the denominations and that Jehovah's Witnesses were definately listed under Christianity and they still didn't believe me. And then I saw another response on these forum boards and I figured I would go right to the source. Thanks again Witness Of Jah for your prompt answers.
     
  16. SoulTYPE

    SoulTYPE Well-Known Member

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    1)Grammatical error. I apologize.

    2)Spelling error, JH should have been JW. As in Jehova's Witness.

    DUDE.

    I hope that cleared things up for you.
     
  17. Scott1

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    It depends on which Christian you ask..... I find it hard to include a group that does not recognize the divinity of Christ.... what I believe is the fundamental Christian belief.

    ...... but I don't care about labels anyhow.
     
  18. WitnessofJah

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    Yes, your answer was fine! :D

    It's just that since it was kind of directed at me, I might as well answer it. ;)
     
  19. WitnessofJah

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    The reason why mainstream Christians are not the greatest fans of us is because we don't believe in a few of their doctrines, like trinitarianism. There is plenty of evidence in the Bible that contradicts the trinitarian theories - however, that is a huge debate to be had for a different thread! :D
     
  20. WitnessofJah

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    I PROMISE you that I will explain why we don't believe in the trinity in a different thread, and you can critique our logic after. ;)
     
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