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As a gay christian, do you

Discussion in 'Religious Debates' started by Unveiled Artist, May 17, 2020.

  1. Unveiled Artist

    Unveiled Artist Love is patient. Love is kind.

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    If you are a gay (lgb...) christian, how do you personally interpret the bible in light of sexual attraction and intimacy between two christians of the same sex?

    I go to another site where some gay christians say that the bible doesn't speak against homosexuality since the bible speaks of a god of love not of hate. Consequently, whoever a person loves and is intimate with do so not because of one's sex but because they both see god in the person they are with. While there are such people as gay christians, their relationship with god aside, how do you as a gay christian interpret the bible in light of sexual attraction and intimacy between two christians of the same sex?

    If it is a sin, please explain.
    If it's not, please explain.

    I guess if there are no gay christians here, those who want to play devil's advocate (in a good way) are open to share their interpretation "in light of" christian views (especially if you were formally raised as such).

    Here's a link on biblical views seen from "some" gay affirming churches by interpreting scripture supports homosexuality in context and usage of the word Homosexuality and the Bible | GayChurch.org I personally understand why homosexuality is a sin as an education means but, if going by tradition, I don't agree with it. So, I cannot argue that it is a sin or not, just wanted to know how gay christians interpret it.The Bible, Christianity and Homosexuality | GayChurch.org

    Oh. I had to put this in religious debate since there's no other section I can find to talk about difficult topics without people feeling they need to debate about it only because of the thread's category.
     
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  2. columbus

    columbus Conservative Catholic from Hell

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    To me, this quite sums up the point.

    Some Christians prioritize the Teachings of Jesus. Others worship Jesus, but prioritize the teaching of Paul, Moses, and such.

    Especially since they can often find verses in those parts of the Bible that support things they prefer to believe.

    Tom
     
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  3. Unveiled Artist

    Unveiled Artist Love is patient. Love is kind.

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    Thank you. If a gay christian sees homosexuality (BC Def: same-sex sex) is a sin, how does he interpret it that way in light of him being gay himself?

    I think I phrased the question wrong. I guess if a gay christian agrees with other christians homosexuality is a sin, I wonder would he support his belief by the same means as his peers while at the same time as being gay.

    I'm sure there are gay christians who believe homosexuality is a sin. As per being homosexuals themselves, do they justify it the same way as other christians or maybe define themselves differently than other gay individuals?
     
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    I was a gay Christian who believed gay sex was a sin. I did so by being in deep denial to everyone around me.

    Arguing from the perspective of a more progressive Christian, I'd say there is an argument to be made that the anti-gay passages in the Bible are actually misunderstood and may not refer to what we assume. Matthew Vines did a whole hourlong talk on this years ago that you can find on YouTube.
     
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    columbus Conservative Catholic from Hell

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    At the risk of endangering my reputation as humble...
    I consider myself a bit of an expert on this subject.

    Gay folks have responded consistently with various forms of destructive and dysfunctional behavior. Alcohol and drugs, promiscuity, dangerous fetishes like pedophilia, the list is long.

    That's how gay people have responded to being taught that God Hates F*gs. God doesn't want them to get married. They may as well just kill themselves, eternal Hell won't be any longer and this temporal Hell will be a bit shorter.

    Some manage to survive. But the scars remain, and the statistics aren't good.
    Tom
     
  6. Unveiled Artist

    Unveiled Artist Love is patient. Love is kind.

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    Thank you. I was wondering if my OP was phrased right. I'll look him up. That's one of the few reasons I left the Church (Christianity in general). It had a lot to do with redefining gay people rather than accepting (and believing) who gay people say they/we are in itself. Of course there were theological reasons, but that one was up top.

    The only time I hear/read about gay christians interpreting homosexuality is a sin were people who say they were former gays. That, or their conversion therapy worked and therefore left their sin for a straight life.
     
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    Yea, and the whole ex-gay movement is pretty much a farce. So many people have come out of it and exposed how deceptive it is and how deep the denial runs among people in it. Most Christians, even ones who still have moral problems with homosexuality, won't defend it anymore because it's been so thoroughly discredited.
     
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    Since the Bible does Not get updated like ' self-help books ' the Bible does Not change.
    Biblical marriage was already set at the time of Genesis 2:24, and this is what Jesus was referring at Matthew 19:5-8.
    Fornication is wrong for anyone gay or not - 1 Corinthians 5:11; 1 Corinthians 6:9-11 A; 1 Corinthians 6:18.
    So, by choice if need be Christians deny self as per Matthew 16:24.
     
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    Thankfully, Christians' interpretations of the Bible do change. I'm grateful that more and more Christians and their churches are coming to see that there is nothing immoral about love between people of the same sex.
     
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    Same. Except I was bisexual and trans. I was very bigoted because I hated and didn't understand myself.
     
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    It is Not love that is unscriptural but fornication ( porneia ) that is the wrong. Fornication is wrong for both gay or not gay.
     
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    And Christian interpretation of what "porneia" includes has changed over time.
     
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    I'm guessing in much the same way as straight christians who think slavery is immoral, "interpret" the bible passages where it condones and regulates slavery as if it is the most normal amoral thing in the world.
     
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    Fornication by any other name is fornication...............
     
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    Well, I'm a bisexual and trans Christian and I don't think the Bible speaks about modern gay people as we know them as such a concept didn't exist then. The ban in the Hebrew Bible on sex between men seems to have stemmed from a ban on temple prostitution and a wish to further separate themselves from the surrounding cultures. As for Paul, he seemed to have been referring to pederasty, pagan backsliders and temple prostitution, as well. I also think God's revelation is still unfolding and there's still much to learn.
     
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    What a beautiful example of a tautology.
     
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    Not really, people have a wide variety of meanings for the word.

    Your post suggests that you consider yourself the authoritative arbiter of the meaning. I don't find you very credible.
    Tom
     
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    You don't have to find me credible but I am merely expressing the Bible's definition of Porneia from the Greek ( English Fornication ).
    Jesus did Not have a wide variety of meanings for the word - Matthew 19:5; Matthew 5:32; John 8:41-42
     
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    Fact of life claiming information against scientific UFO occult machine destruction of us.

    The reference in science said God the stone as the Created, then is the Creator of the Immaculate gases in the heavens/space womb.

    Sun changed the Immaculate and gave it light....light and chemicals owns the bio life expression.

    The theme Jesus never had sex...relates to bio genetics DNA being sacrificed removed out of the holy baby life....as a bio quote in the sciences...actually.

    Humans should realize you cannot talk about human life if you do not exist living owning consciousness talking about human life. Coercion is part of the occult methodology in science.

    Homosexuality says is against natural God history for God in natural created history did not support homosexuality being expressed, nor a murderer or a criminal...etc....and irradiated/changed bio chemical Nature changed how a human being expressed their consciousness.

    The CHURCH built a healing building for the healing of consciousness in sound therapies.....said no use any homosexual attending our healing attempt...prayer and meditation/oils and incense....for the homosexual/criminal or mind chemical imbalanced status cannot be healed.

    What they knew in RELATIVE science biology statements...which is not a disclaimer to the life being natural or owning its natural purpose...to be a SELF in its diversity.

    Hence humanity who love in group mentality to be abusive...what we were taught by the cult mentality to be extra special if you are in a group.....therefore disowned their own family members.

    My brother was as we found out in later life a homosexual who took his life in his struggle.

    I was just his little innocent sister who loved him just because he was my brother....and that sort of conscious acceptance is what all humanity is meant to express.

    Now as criminal behaviour is innate in our life due to the irradiation effect the term and length of human jailing by law befitted the crime....except today too many real criminals are living amongst us. So maybe it is time in human society to change the laws of crimes in life and deal with the original criminal self...who caused all of life's inherited problems.
     
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