Arms sale approved for Taiwan. Good news.

[Debater Slayer]

Do you think USA is wrong to help Taiwan & Ukraine?

No, unless it oversteps and turns its help into hostility. Its help in Taiwan should be purely defensive, which it has been so far.

Or that USA has wrongful motives in doing so?

Are geopolitical interests "wrongful motives"? I would say that depended on the context. It's possible that at least some officials believe in helping other countries to maintain said countries' democracy and independence, but the bigger picture seems to me primarily about geopolitical interests and keeping global rivals (China and Russia, in this case) at bay.

 

[Debater Slayer]

I have seen you make this claim, but that does not appear to be what happened to me. It seems that almost all of Europe thought that the former leadership was corrupt and the people of Ukraine were pleased with the result. Do you have any support for this claim?

To be fair, sometimes popular opinions can be wrong or at least based on preconceived notions rather than consideration of evidence. Governments are also often driven by their interests and foreign relations rather than ethics.

I would be more interested in what Ukrainians themselves thought, as I would trust outsiders' opinions about a Ukrainian domestic affair less than theirs. Zelenskyy definitely seems quite popular in Ukraine, too.

 

[lukethethird]

I have seen you make this claim, but that does not appear to be what happened to me. It seems that almost all of Europe thought that the former leadership was corrupt and the people of Ukraine were pleased with the result. Do you have any support for this claim?

The 2014 CIA backed Maidun coup caused a civil war to break out and now Russia and Nato nations are involved. Was Trump corrupt, should foreign operations have helped overthrow him, or is that what elections and the courts are for?

Zelensky ran for office on a platform of making peace with eastern Ukraine and to make ties and cooperate with Russia, he won overwhelmingly because that is what the majority of Ukraine voters wanted. Once in power Zelensky did a 180. Perhaps someone read him the riot act.

 

[Revoltingest]

...the bigger picture seems to me primarily about geopolitical interests and keeping global rivals (China and Russia, in this case) at bay.

There's good reason to keep them at bay,
ie, their violent conquest.
This is good, no matter that USA has also
sinned....to head off that response, since
I'm leaving town very soon.

 

[Debater Slayer]

There's good reason to keep them at bay,
ie, their violent conquest.
This is good, no matter that USA has also
sinned [...]

I agree. Conversely, I hope China could likewise keep the US at bay should the US become violent again.

Such power struggles are an ever-oscillating pendulum.

[...] ....to head off that response, since
I'm leaving town very soon.

Safe travels.

 

[Revoltingest]

I agree. Conversely, I hope China could likewise keep the US at bay should the US become violent again.

Such power struggles are an ever-oscillating pendulum.



Safe travels.

I just hope that pendulum doesn't go ballistic.

 

[Subduction Zone]

The 2014 CIA backed Maidun coup caused a civil war to break out and now Russia and Nato nations are involved. Was Trump corrupt, should foreign operations have helped overthrow him, or is that what elections and the courts are for?

Zelensky ran for office on a platform of making peace with eastern Ukraine and to make ties and cooperate with Russia, he won overwhelmingly because that is what the majority of Ukraine voters wanted. Once in power Zelensky did a 180. Perhaps someone read him the riot act.

Reliable sources would be nice. I do not tend to trust either far left wing ones or far right wing ones.

 

[lukethethird]

Reliable sources would be nice. I do not tend to trust either far left wing ones or far right wing ones.

Zelensky’s first year: Checking status of president’s campaign promises

Vote for Peace not more war

 

[lukethethird]

US Army Secretary Says US Preparing to Win a War With China Over Taiwan


Wormuth’s plan would involve sending more troops and advanced weapons into the region, including hypersonic missiles. She said the buildup would be an effort to deter war with China, although Beijing has been increasing its military activity in the region in response to US actions.


US Army Secretary Says US Preparing to Win a War With China Over Taiwan - News From Antiwar.com