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Discussion in 'General Religious Debates' started by charlie sc, May 7, 2019.

  1. Michelle71

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    I’m a Christian and I believe God....
     
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    Book gods, as described in various books? Impossible things-- you cannot have a square circle-- so none of these exist as depicted.

    Moreover, a truly good god, who cares about the fate of humans, and interacts with them? Also does not exist: because of god-preventable evil in the world does exist.

    That leaves evil gods, and indifferent gods. (and also semi-gods who are not Omni-Max beings... think Thor of recent movie fame.)

    Evil gods do not exist for the same reason benevolent gods don't. Too much progressive, positive gain among humans in general, for malevolent gods to exist.

    That leaves only indifferent and/or Clock Work gods. These may exist, but who cares? They act as if they do not exist-- so they may as well not exist.

    Bottom line: Do gods exist? Mostly-- no, but it depends on what you mean by 'god'.

    However, I'm prepared to have my mind changed-- funny, that-- if god existed, and was benevolent? And all-knowing, etc? It would not only know what it would take to convince this skeptic to believe, it would have the power to do so, and it would want to.

    On Dawkin's scale of 1 to 7? I'm about 6.9999999999999
     
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    I hope also-- because of gods do exist? They are either indifferent or malicious in their evil....
     
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    Prove it-- the fact that you make this claim? Is pretty strong proof that gods do not, in fact, exist...

    .... an actual god would never need such as you, to argue for it's existence...
     
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    When you said mild and soft atheists, I think you misunderstood. Atheism - Wikipedia soft vs hard atheist are about certainty, not whether they're trying to convince other people are crazy or stupid :p So how certain are you god exists? Absolutely certain?
     
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    charlie sc Well-Known Member

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    I must say, I'm very impressed with all the agnostic(somethings) here. Very impressed indeed. Thanks to all who answered and took part so far.
     
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    A very wise thing to say, indeed ;)
     
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    charlie sc Well-Known Member

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    Are you absolutely certain?
     
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    So you're 100% certain god exists?
     
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    I'm not sure dreams work like that. Dreams are fairly illogical in nature and reflect how the person was feeling when they went to sleep. What you said reminds me of the philosophical inquiry of existence through dreams Zhuangzi (book) - Wikipedia.
    Anyway, what the seems to create is more uncertainty, not certainty.

    This question can even be answered by a pantheist, which a pantheist has done in this thread. However, if you think your concept of god is so different it cannot answer the OP's question, then I won't push it further :)
     
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    charlie sc Well-Known Member

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    How certain are you? Absolutely certain or with varying degrees of uncertainty?
     
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    Ah, so you are absolutely certain god exists?

    Beyond reasonable doubt may not mean absolutely certain and without question.

    I can think of a few more questions, "how many more Jihads and Crusades will there be?", "how many more laws that infringe on human rights will exist because of religious doctrine?", and, "how many groups or individuals will be ostracised, because of some presupposition in religion?" Oh man, let's just look at the good stuff.

    Maybe being uninterested in the questions I mentioned means something ;)

    As a whole, I don't think humanity has this problem. You'll notice the overwhelming majority of people make decisions based on very little to no information at all. Perhaps, it a good thing to learn more before making a decision, especially one that could affect the well-being of other human beings, hmmm?

    I'm not sure this applies. The things we care about are going to be biased in some way, which means we SHOULD be much more careful over these decisions. The things we don't care about will have no conflict of interest, hence we can make much more rational decision about them.
     
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    I think it's humorous that atheists consider this question about a million times more than a theist.
     
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    charlie sc Well-Known Member

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    How certain are you of this?
     
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    Agreed. However, this is not what I find with most theists. When I ask how they believe, they answer with evidence. If you ever watch the atheist experience, you'll notice the same thing. I genuinely respect and admire theists who know and admit they believe on faith alone.

    Yes and no. It may be true but what you said here is an assertion.

    I don't think it's when they can't explain it, it's when the participants get it wrong. This means intuition is not reliable.

    I'm not sure what you mean by this. For morality, I'm a moral relativist, though you may be talking about another type of intuition/reason?
     
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    I am absolutely certain but sometimes I wish God did not exist as I get mad at Him often. :mad:
    My husband says I should become an atheist but I cannot not believe God exists. :rolleyes:
     
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    Oh jeez, getting angry at god? What do you think god thinks about you venting at Him/Her?
     
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    Very certain. What caused us? God.
     
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    Unguru I am a Sikh nice to meet you

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    How certain are you of this question?
     
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    charlie sc Well-Known Member

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    I'll take that as absolutely certain. Thanks
     
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