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Discussion in 'General Religious Debates' started by charlie sc, May 7, 2019.

  1. Erebus

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    Spot on :)
     
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  2. Woberts

    Woberts The Perfumed Seneschal

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  3. A Vestigial Mote

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    I highly doubt the existence of any type or form of deity/god. However, I am open to compelling evidence. Haven't seen any in my lifetime, but I am still open.

    I also believe that the doubt I have is entirely reasonable given the extent to which god(s) existence has been demonstrated.
     
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  4. viole

    viole Metaphysical Naturalist
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    I am not absolutely certain of basically anything. I cannot even a priori exclude that I am brain in a vat.

    That does not entail that I cannot make knowledge claims. For instance, I know I have two kids, but I am not absolutely certain of it (in the brain in the vat scenario i would probably not).

    So, like every synthetic proposition, I know that God does not exist, but I am not absolutely certain that He does not exist.

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    I was a believer when young but I soon lost my faith as I never had any connection with god.
     
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    Sure a God could exist.

    Which one? :shrug:
    What are God's attributes?:shrug:
    Is there more than one God? :shrug:

    One can't know what they don't know. I just prefer not to pretend having knowledge of something that I don't.
     
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  8. George-ananda

    George-ananda Advaita Vedanta and Spiritualist and Pantheist
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    I want to participate in this survey. But it's complicated. I am a Advaita (non-dual=God and creation are not two) pantheist. So I would identify more with the 'theist' camp.

    I would put myself in the open-minded camp too. My position is that I believe Advaita is the most rational understanding I've heard with all things considered.
     
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  9. Quintessence

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    Oh, I wish it worked that way in practice. Unfortunately, most discussions that begin with "do gods exist" end up being superficial exchanges with little attempts to gain multicultural understanding. Instead they become conversations caught up in "proving it" and figuring out who is "right" and who is "wrong." When we simply grant that the gods are a thing for theistic cultures and individuals, it provides the opportunity of asking deeper questions and listening while suspending judgement.


    Declaring a culture that is different from our own is "ignorant in regards to reality" is a perfect example of what happens when we don't allow other cultures space to tell their stories. It is also another way of being "closed minded" as it is judging another culture by our terms instead of on its own terms. If the goal is multicultural understanding - and for me it usually is - judging in this way represents a failure to listen that makes such understanding an impossibility.

    Granted, not everyone prioritizes understanding other cultures or persons. For some, priority is "winning" the argument or being "right" and having "the truth." For those people, flicking the judgement switch immediately is simply a matter of course and not viewed as a problem. I suppose as an academic, I see it as a problem because flicking that switch means you are painting your own bias onto the subject you are studying. As a researcher, it is my job to observe and record, not judge. So if someone tells me they are a theist, my first question isn't "prove to me your gods exist" (a combative demand) it is "tell me more about your gods" (an invitation for discussion).

    Don't get me wrong, it's not an unreasonable question to ask... in spite of the argument highlighting its importance being a very poor one. I just find the question pedantic and uninteresting, especially since they don't facilitate much learning about other cultures compared to less loaded questions.
     
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  10. syo

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    god exists like the air we breathe.
     
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  11. atanu

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    Can I request you to share your experience?
     
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  12. Polymath257

    Polymath257 Think & Care
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    There are reasons why I cannot share. Sorry.
     
  13. atanu

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    Okay. No problem.

    Usually, the non dual experience (it is not an experience though) is not conducive for any interpretation. So, I was just keen. :)
     
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    i believe in G-d and i am closedminded and proud!
     
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    You do have a point here, but if the such beliefs causes damage to others, I don't think its about cultural understanding anymore, but doing the right thing. So not even wanting to adresse such question is not really acceptable, I think. Because it would be the same as simply allowing others to be hurt without reason. Obviously this is not all religious views where this is relevante, but do you think we should ignore a religious view, that actively caused harm to others and not question it, because its part of their culture?

    I think it might be because we look at it differently. I don't care what people believe if their beliefs are not harmful for others, but when they are, they ought to questioned and therefore the question of whether their God exists or not, must be relevant. If you can't question that, why should you question what they are doing then?
     
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    I use(d) to..THINK God was a lie..
    AND, FOR NOW..I ABSOLUTELY KNOW! GOD HAS ALWAYS BEEN TRUE!

    If I may look in its conclusions in answers and determine which IMO..is more open/close minded..

    I’ll start with mine first!..
    If you had notice in my answer, is mentioned of none stated..in using of your term to say: The end??

    For reason why? Because my END was followed through from the start in its beginning..therefore answered my own matters with Certainty..than be CLAIMED ownership of my BELIEF!
    In my definition of True God.
    Instead being ‘The End’, Rather its My statement of being ‘FINISHED’.

    I started my beginning with stating an ASSERTION of a God.
    (Assertions is caused by uncertainty, making of in heaps of loose end(s)).
    And than! I found its truth of ending my assertions and uncertainties from a God. Making my truth! My belief, My God. My answer!..

    The End, WILL NOT ALLOW..to FINISH! without understanding of its..‘Beginning!’.

    Or!

    ‘The Beginning’, WILL NOT ALLOW..at the END! without understanding..Its ‘Finishing!’


    If you do not understand in those..
    Than you won’t understand your problem.

    Having look in your answer speaks louder than words..
    You have questioned an assertion, and than answered only with a assertion,Therefore Making of your ending”..Uncertainty!

    This would mean your beliefs in its uncertainty..is not worth its time finding its Certainty for its truth. Disrespecting your own thoughts by ending it in confusion of its own known truth..now instead your rather start of a thread about God with the basis on knowledge with your own uncertainty??

    Your answer would only be as good as YOU...and you will not know how to test this opportunity!
     
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  17. atanu

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    Can you tell me?

    Given the materialistic notion that there is no intelligence at Big Bang stage what is the likelihood of a man creating this? Very very unlikely. Almost zero probability No?



    So, by using the materialistic paradigm, if god(s) are possible, then God’s existence is likely. No?

    Since a materialist-atheist holds that reality is external, God (by definition omnipresent) is an impossibility. Some theists also believe similarly and for them too God is an impossibility, given that God is omnipresent.

    For a Vedantic like me (and possibly for many mystics) the reality of “I am” is God and “You too are That”. Where is any doubt? “I am”, however is not a second being and it cannot be known as a second or third person. The non dual meditation experience is the direct proof.


    It seems you have already made a decision that theists are closed minded.
     
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    My brain is like concrete cement. I never change my mind no matter what. God is just a word and the word God absolutely exists. What the word God means is purely subjective and irrelevant.

    Although it would be nice to somehow how show or prove the soul actually exists and is something separate than physical material. Mind from matter is a really strange. We are made of the very stuff we are experiencing. It sure feels like I have consciousness and I am not a machine. Whatever it is I am experiencing or telling me what to think it's not simple mechanical stuff. Reality seems so real. It's more than just simple measurements of perception. I think reality is spirit and not material. Our soul is part of something bigger than ourselves. When we experience reality it completes a type of self-referential experience/perception circuit with God.
     
  19. BilliardsBall

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    Define absolute as "beyond a reasonable doubt, to the best of my ability" and I'll go with "absolutely exists".

    Yes, that's my vote.
     
  20. ChristineM

    ChristineM "Be strong" I whispered to my coffee.
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    Given the 100% lack of evidence
    Given the fact suffering exists
    Given the number of different religions
    Given that the amount of "stuff" attributed to god magic has reduced dramatically as the "not understood" has become understood and the gaps keep getting fewer and smaller.

    I am certain no gods exist.

    That is not to say more advanced beings that exist on earth do not exist somewhere in this universe.
     
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