Are Jews originally Canaanites?

[gnostic]

Regardless if using the Hebrew calendar and their epoch being wrong, it would still put the biblical flood in the 2nd half of the 3rd millennium BCE.

My point remains, that there were are no evidences for global flood in this half of the millennium BCE.

You are wrong about the conditions in Mesopotamia and Egypt.

• METEOR CLUE TO END OF MIDDLE EAST CIVILISATIONS
  Satellite images of southern Iraq have revealed a two-mile-wide impact crater caused by a meteor. The catastrophic effect of these could explain the mystery of why so many early cultures went into sudden decline around 2300 BC. They include the demise of the Akkad culture of central Iraq, with its mysterious semi-mythological emperor Sargon; the end of the fifth dynasty of Egypt's Old Kingdom, following the building of the Great Pyramids and the sudden disappearance of hundreds of early settlements in the Holy Land.

In both cases, it was political and foreign turmoils in Sumer/Akkad and in Egypt.

In Egypt, 2350 BCE would put the Flood in the 5th dynasty, but there is no break in the dynasty. Unas (reign 2375 – 2345 BC) was the last king of that dynasty, and if the flood happened, then there would be no way for Unas to complete his pyramid in Sakkara. This pyramid may have been smaller than those built during the 4th dynasty in Giza, but it is just as famous, because of the hieroglyphs on his walls, which became part of the Pyramid Texts.

Let say it is true that the Flood happened, and Unas was killed, Teti (2345 – 2323 BC), the founder of the 6th dynasty ruled, and he too built a pyramid. If the flood had happened, then Teti would have the man-power to build his own pyramid.

Admittedly the 5th dynasty was weaker than the 4th dynasty and the 6th is weaker still, but neither of the changes in dynasties indicate it was caused by natural disaster.

And still using your 2350 BCE, Sargon the Great reigned either in c 2334 to 2279 BC or in c 2270 BC – 2215 BC, both of which is after the supposed Flood, so what is this stupid thing in the article about the decline of the Akkadian empire, which didn't yet. And Sargon's dynasty lasted a hundred year. It may be long, but the decline of his dynasty wasn't due to natural disaster, like the flood. It was the Gutian invasion that cause the collapse of his dynasty.

 

[S-word]

Regardless if using the Hebrew calendar and their epoch being wrong, it would still put the biblical flood in the 2nd half of the 3rd millennium BCE.

My point remains, that there were are no evidences for global flood in this half of the millennium BCE.

You are wrong about the conditions in Mesopotamia and Egypt.



In both cases, it was political and foreign turmoils in Sumer/Akkad and in Egypt.

In Egypt, 2350 BCE would put the Flood in the 5th dynasty, but there is no break in the dynasty. Unas (reign 2375 – 2345 BC) was the last king of that dynasty, and if the flood happened, then there would be no way for Unas to complete his pyramid in Sakkara. This pyramid may have been smaller than those built during the 4th dynasty in Giza, but it is just as famous, because of the hieroglyphs on his walls, which became part of the Pyramid Texts.

Let say it is true that the Flood happened, and Unas was killed, Teti (2345 – 2323 BC), the founder of the 6th dynasty ruled, and he too built a pyramid. If the flood had happened, then Teti would have the man-power to build his own pyramid.

Admittedly the 5th dynasty was weaker than the 4th dynasty and the 6th is weaker still, but neither of the changes in dynasties indicate it was caused by natural disaster.

And still using your 2350 BCE, Sargon the Great reigned either in c 2334 to 2279 BC or in c 2270 BC – 2215 BC, both of which is after the supposed Flood, so what is this stupid thing in the article about the decline of the Akkadian empire, which didn't yet. And Sargon's dynasty lasted a hundred year. It may be long, but the decline of his dynasty wasn't due to natural disaster, like the flood. It was the Gutian invasion that cause the collapse of his dynasty.

Sorry I didn’t get back to you last night, but at 68 I lead a pretty busy life, and mucking around on these forums is the least of my priorities. Champollian gives the date of the first dynasty as 5867 BC, Le Sueur: 5770 BC, Bokh: 5702 BC, Unger: 5613 BC, Mariette: 5004 BC, Brugsch: 4455 BC, Lauth: 4157 BC, Chabas: 4,000 BC, Lapsius: 3890 BC, Brunsen: 3623 BC, Breasted: 3400 BC, George Steindorff: 3200 BC, Eduard Meyer: 3180 BC, Wilkinson: 2320, Palmer: 2224 BC. Currently, the most accepted date for the first dynasty is 3100 BC, although there are others who prefer 2900 BC as a more accurate date, and in the future with new data that will be discovered by archaeologists these dates will also undoubtedly change.

There is a definite break between the 6th and 5th dynasties in the Turin king list. The duration of the reign of Tepi, the first ruler of the 6th dynasty, remains uncertain. Depending on which source you wish to accept, you may believe that he ruled for 6 months, 12 years, 13 years, 30 years or 33 years. The history of the ancient kings of Egypt is so ambiguous, when reading from the many different and contradictory scholars, you are confronted with statement such as, “It is believed by some that he married his predecessors daughter,” “But we believe that this may have been a mistake and we suggest etc,” and on and on it goes.

If you believe that Teti ruled for six months, according to the Turin papyrus list, and that Pepi 1, began his rule after Teti, which according to some, was 33 years later, then this would support the belief that a significant break between the death of Teti and the beginning of the rule of Pepi 1, and that some catastrophic event occurred around that time, where the evidence shows that Ireland was inundated, around the time of the eruption of Helka4 in 2350 BC, and is said to have remained desolate for 30 years. A flood of that magnitude would have surely been experienced around the Mediterranean and perhaps Egypt was also desolate for thirty years.

Nevertheless, you have your belief and I have mine, which is, that the Shepherd Kings, who are identified by both Eusebius and Josephus as the Hebrew/Israelites, who were expelled from Egypt about 1550 BC, (Repeat, ABOUT) around the time of the explosion of the Island of Santorini, in the Aegean Sea, which explains the strange phenomena that occurred at the time of the Exodus.

By adding to the year of 1550 BC,(Or thereabouts) the 430 years from the covenant to Moses and the Law, then the age of Abraham (85) at the time of the covenant and the 292 years from the flood to the birth of Abraham, 1550+430+85+292= 2362 BC, depending on the exact time of the explosion of Santorini, we come pretty close to the year of 2350 BC.