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Are all conspiracy theories Republican?

bobhikes

Nondetermined
Premium Member
At work we were talking about the Hannity conspiracy and my work mate said I don't believe that but I do believe the other people Hillary had killed. I say what other people. He said there's a list of 100 people she had killed. When I got home I looked it up and there is a list of 47 people somewhere I couldn't find it but Snopes has a list of the people Bill Clinton had killed all labeled false and then I did some checking.

There is no list of Republican Presidents of modern time having people killed

Every Democratic President in modern time has a list of people they supposedly killed.

All The republican web pages, news media report conspiracy theories
I don't know any democratic conspiracy theories that are being pushed

Is it just that Republicans are conspiracy theorists.

What do you think is conspiracy a Republican thing.
 

ImmortalFlame

Woke gremlin
At work we were talking about the Hannity conspiracy and my work mate said I don't believe that but I do believe the other people Hillary had killed. I say what other people. He said there's a list of 100 people she had killed. When I got home I looked it up and there is a list of 47 people somewhere I couldn't find it but Snopes has a list of the people Bill Clinton had killed all labeled false and then I did some checking.

There is no list of Republican Presidents of modern time having people killed

Every Democratic President in modern time has a list of people they supposedly killed.

All The republican web pages, news media report conspiracy theories
I don't know any democratic conspiracy theories that are being pushed

Is it just that Republicans are conspiracy theorists.

What do you think is conspiracy a Republican thing.
Not really. I'm pretty sure a lot of 9/11 truthers were spurred by an extreme dislike of George Bush and his party. I could probably find a lot of other examples if I took a quick whip around some wikis.
 
"Are all conspiracy theories Republican?"
They are if you're a leftist. Otherwise, no. Non-leftists tend to live in the real world, and don't make a habit of neurosing over every imaginary detail.

 

bobhikes

Nondetermined
Premium Member
Not really. I'm pretty sure a lot of 9/11 truthers were spurred by an extreme dislike of George Bush and his party. I could probably find a lot of other examples if I took a quick whip around some wikis.

wikipedia

n a 2011 article in Skeptical Inquirer, Bartlett and Miller do an overview and analyze the members of the 9/11 Truth movement community. The authors find that people involved in this movement, which seemingly is a disparate group with very diversified backgrounds, could be classified into three groups. They join the movement for different reasons, loosely self-assemble to fill different roles, and are united by their shared mistrust in experts and the establishment (government and reputable sources of knowledge) and conspiratorial stance. Through their engagement, they each find their own fulfillment and satisfaction. Together, they contribute to the persistence, resilience, and exaggerated claims of acceptance (in general public) of the movement.[36]

What I get out of this is mistrust of government. A person who mistrusts government would want a smaller government which would be more republican than democrat.

They did however run there own candidate for president so they could be unaffiliated.
 

Sunstone

De Diablo Del Fora
Premium Member
I don't think all conspiracy theories are Republican. I imagine lots of Democrats believe in a conspiracy surrounding the JFK assassination, for instance. But the Republicans seem to have more than their fair share of conspiracy theories. Might have something to do with the very high quality sources Republicans tend to demand for their news and views. Sources like Fox News, Sean Hannity, Alex Jones, Breitbart, etc.
 

bobhikes

Nondetermined
Premium Member
wikipedia

n a 2011 article in Skeptical Inquirer, Bartlett and Miller do an overview and analyze the members of the 9/11 Truth movement community. The authors find that people involved in this movement, which seemingly is a disparate group with very diversified backgrounds, could be classified into three groups. They join the movement for different reasons, loosely self-assemble to fill different roles, and are united by their shared mistrust in experts and the establishment (government and reputable sources of knowledge) and conspiratorial stance. Through their engagement, they each find their own fulfillment and satisfaction. Together, they contribute to the persistence, resilience, and exaggerated claims of acceptance (in general public) of the movement.[36]

What I get out of this is mistrust of government. A person who mistrusts government would want a smaller government which would be more republican than democrat.

They did however run there own candidate for president so they could be unaffiliated.
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
wikipedia

n a 2011 article in Skeptical Inquirer, Bartlett and Miller do an overview and analyze the members of the 9/11 Truth movement community. The authors find that people involved in this movement, which seemingly is a disparate group with very diversified backgrounds, could be classified into three groups. They join the movement for different reasons, loosely self-assemble to fill different roles, and are united by their shared mistrust in experts and the establishment (government and reputable sources of knowledge) and conspiratorial stance. Through their engagement, they each find their own fulfillment and satisfaction. Together, they contribute to the persistence, resilience, and exaggerated claims of acceptance (in general public) of the movement.[36]

What I get out of this is mistrust of government. A person who mistrusts government would want a smaller government which would be more republican than democrat.

They did however run there own candidate for president so they could be unaffiliated.
There are many conspiracy theories, & they like all corners of the political spectrum.
Republicans, Democrats, libertarians, fascists.....all groups claim some.
You don't need examples.
 

Stevicus

Veteran Member
Staff member
Premium Member
Are all conspiracy theories Republican?

That may be the case for some recent conspiracy theories, although I don't think it's exclusively Republican. I think the granddaddy of all conspiracy theories is the JFK assassination, which seemed to come more from the left at first.

Moreover, in the Vietnam/Watergate era, there was a general picture of the super-secret government involved in all kinds of shady dealings on an international scale. Stuff about the CIA, Military-Industrial Complex, Hoover's FBI, etc. - all presented a somewhat frightening and ghastly picture of the powers that ruled over this country - and a lot of it seemed generated from the left. The right-wing at that time was more pro-government and telling the left-wing to "love it or leave it."

I remember when Oliver Stone's JFK came out, and it seemed to generate a bit of controversy since it raised a lot of old questions and reopened old wounds. But the general feeling at that point was that our government had changed considerably since the "bad old days" of McCarthy, Hoover, Nixon, et al.

But there were other kind of rumblings that seemed to crop up from the right-wing when the Ruby Ridge and Waco incidents took place. Then there was the Oklahoma City Bombing, after which a friend of mine was trying to convince me that the government was behind the whole thing. At the time, I didn't really see it as a "left wing" or "right wing" issue, though.

It was somewhat similar with 9/11 conspiracy theories. On the surface, they didn't seem politically motivated in any way. It was presented more as "we just want to get to the truth."

That may differ from theories or supposition made about individual politicians, which would probably fall more in line with character assassination rather than the realm of "conspiracy theory." One exists to destroy people's faith in an individual, while the other destroys people's faith in the entire system.
 

Father Heathen

Veteran Member
"Are all conspiracy theories Republican?"
They are if you're a leftist. Otherwise, no. Non-leftists tend to live in the real world, and don't make a habit of neurosing over every imaginary detail.

Well, there are those who insist that climate change is a hoax that the entire international scientific community is collaborating on. Those aren't leftists.
There are those who insist Obama wasn't a legitimate U.S. citizen. Those weren't leftists.
There are those who believe Hillary had DNC staffer Seth Rich murdered for leaking emails to WikiLeaks. Those aren't leftists.
There are those who believe Freemasons, Jews, and/or the Papacy collectively form the "Illuminati", a secret society that wants to install a satanic "New World Order". Not leftists.
There are those that believe that the LGBT struggle for rights and equality is actually an agenda to magically turn children gay. Not leftists.
There are those who believe that the entire international scientific community lies about or fabricates all of the evidence regarding evolution. Not leftists.
There are those who believe the moon landing was a hoax. Not leftists.
Any of Trump's unsubstantiated accusations that he has tossed around . Not a leftist.

If you want to talk about "the real world", you need to actually pay attention to what's going on in it, kiddo.
 

bobhikes

Nondetermined
Premium Member
There are many conspiracy theories, & they like all corners of the political spectrum.
Republicans, Democrats, libertarians, fascists.....all groups claim some.
You don't need examples.

Its a theory and I believe I do need examples. From researching this most studies of conspiracy theorists agree they have government trust issues which would support a smaller government that Republicans and Libertarians want but socialists and Democrats do not.
 
Calling a conspiracy theory a 'conspiracy theory', isn't a conspiracy theory.
Unfortunately, leftists don't know that. Which is what makes them leftists: sinister and dark, fake and lunatic. Nutjobs, par excellence.
They are consistently convinced that their fantasy world is the real one. Really. It's a very, very dire situation.
 

bobhikes

Nondetermined
Premium Member
Right wing and Left Wing paranoia.
Right-Wing and Left-Wing Paranoia

Right-wing conspiracy theory tends to focus on efforts by communists and other hard-core, organized socialists, fascists, and advocates of Big Government to impose an absolute tyranny or "New World Order" on Americans in particular and mankind in general in which major industries and products (food, energy, media, money and banking, etc.) would be owned or controlled by government bureaucrats as world monopolies with no private alternatives allowed -- and the rights of peaceful people in their lives and properties destroyed completely by political central planning and control. As major steps in the direction of bigger and more intrusive government over our lives and businesses, right wingers can point with dismay at several successful political achievements, made by the organized Left over several decades, such as the enactment of the Income Tax (second plank of Karl Marx's Communist Manifesto), the passage of the Federal Reserve Act of 1913 (fifth plank in the Communist Manifesto), increasing control over education by the national government, inheritance taxes, the UN, the Environmental Protection Agency and various "environmentalist" regulations on private business and land use, and many other political attacks on private property rights and the private plans of individuals over their own lives. From the Right's point of view, these measures must be abolished or rolled back as soon as it is politically possible to do so -- rather than remaining as permanent fixtures in American society. Right wingers would return the government to the restrictions imposed on it by the Constitution and Bill of Rights, and (ideally) limit government's scope to using its powers to combat criminal violence and commercial fraud, and to defend against foreign aggressors, as opposed to trying to organize society through any politically imposed central plan or trying to ameliorate inequalities of wealth or income.

Left-wing conspiracy theories, on the other hand, tend to see the source of evil in the world as private selfishness, the profit motive, private property itself, American capitalism (as based on private property rights and the profit motive), and irreconcilable "class differences" (between the workers who use the tools and machines and those who own the tools and machines). The Left fears what it perceives as the "economic power" of Big Business, and considers this power to be "exploitative" in a bad sense -- an "unfair" advantage of the "strong" over the "weak" resulting from a lack of sufficient government regulation in a free-market economy. It is because of this belief system and the fear of "economic power" that those on the Left agitate for more and more government controls and regulations. Further, the Left seems obsessed with a vision of a politically planned society, in which each individual would be made to conform to a planning matrix devised by supposedly superior philosopher-king bureaucrats. Only in this way, they believe, can war and social disharmony in the world be eradicated forever -- and only then will the "economic power" of corporations be stifled.

From reading this, it would seem to me that the Right wing conspiracy would get more press as it is Focused on media driven People, places and things. The left wing theories are less supported by the media and far more dispersed. They left doesn't get behind one particular person or business except on rare occasions.
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
Its a theory and I believe I do need examples. From researching this most studies of conspiracy theorists agree they have government trust issues which would support a smaller government that Republicans and Libertarians want but socialists and Democrats do not.
There are many flavors of conspiracy theories, most of which aren't even about government.
Some personally encountered ones among my leftish (not exclusively) friends.....
1) It was a common belief that evil capitalists keep 200mpg carburetors off the market
so that more oil is sold. I'd hear about it because my father worked for Ford, & I
worked for GM. It's less common now that fuel injection has replaced carburetors.
There are variants, including engines which burn water.
I've even been accused of being part of the conspiracy. I'm not....honest!
2) A less common one: The government uses alien technology in the military aircraft.
At least no one accused me of being part of that one, my working in the industry
notwithstanding.
3) The government created AIDS to kill of black people.
4) Many others.

You might wonder why I hear about so many? One thing I like about being in a business with a lot
of public contact is that it's like RF, ie, I get to shoot the breeze with a great many diverse people.
I know what you're thinking....when I'm not goofing off here, I'm goofing off IRL. Life is good.
 

Brickjectivity

Turned to Stone. Now I stretch daily.
Staff member
Premium Member
Pro-life Pro-choice. Its always been about that. If that were not an issue, a lot fewer people would believe the conspiracies.
 

Father Heathen

Veteran Member
Calling a conspiracy theory a 'conspiracy theory', isn't a conspiracy theory.
Unfortunately, leftists don't know that. Which is what makes them leftists: sinister and dark, fake and lunatic. Nutjobs, par excellence.
They are consistently convinced that their fantasy world is the real one. Really. It's a very, very dire situation.

You forgot the part about hating god and killing babies.
 

Valjean

Veteran Member
Premium Member
But what if there really is a conspiracy? Conspiracy is just planning together, it's what people do. It's what distinguishes us from the apes (yes, I know we're apes ourselves, but you get my point).

When did conspiracy come to mean falsehood?
 

bobhikes

Nondetermined
Premium Member
There are many flavors of conspiracy theories, most of which aren't even about government.
Some personally encountered ones among my leftish (not exclusively) friends.....
1) It was a common belief that evil capitalists keep 200mpg carburetors off the market
so that more oil is sold. I'd hear about it because my father worked for Ford, & I
worked for GM. It's less common now that fuel injection has replaced carburetors.
There are variants, including engines which burn water.
I've even been accused of being part of the conspiracy. I'm not....honest!
2) A less common one: The government uses alien technology in the military aircraft.
At least no one accused me of being part of that one, my working in the industry
notwithstanding.
3) The government created AIDS to kill of black people.
4) Many others.

You might wonder why I hear about so many? One thing I like about being in a business with a lot
of public contact is that it's like RF, ie, I get to shoot the breeze with a great many diverse people.
I know what you're thinking....when I'm not goofing off here, I'm goofing off IRL. Life is good.

2 and 3 include the Government. But I found a post that explains it to me. Its right above your last post basically Right wing conspiracies are made for Media and Left wing conspiracies do not translate well for Media.
 

bobhikes

Nondetermined
Premium Member
But what if there really is a conspiracy? Conspiracy is just planning together, it's what people do. It's what distinguishes us from the apes (yes, I know we're apes ourselves, but you get my point).

When did conspiracy come to mean falsehood?

After snope declares it so. Really, in my opinion when you refuse to entertain any data that is contrary. If you constantly refer only to the conspiracy to defend new or outstanding data then it is a falsehood.
 

tas8831

Well-Known Member
Sorry if this thread resurrection is frowned upon....
"Are all conspiracy theories Republican?"
They are if you're a leftist. Otherwise, no. Non-leftists tend to live in the real world, and don't make a habit of neurosing over every imaginary detail.
If non-Leftists (which I presume means anyone not in your tribe?) live in the real world, then why do rightists seem to have cornered the market on crazy conspiratorial nonsense - often reverberated in the dark halls of places like Infowars, Fox, etc.?

A couple just from the last week:

1. Caravan of disease-addled terrorists (on foot, with children) coming to INVADE us! (no mention since the election)
2. Jim Acosta SMACKED a poor intern!
3. Millions of illegal votes cast! (same old, same old)
4. Huckabee-Sanders claiming that Trump won the popular vote by a wide margin.


And then, of course, there is the Clinton kill list...

Why can't crypto-fascist, alt-right, xenophobic rightists just stick to their favorite policies?

Why can't they just dislike "leftists" because they do not agree with their politics? Why can't they just admit they are scared of an hate anyone not exactly like them?

Why the need to fabricate completely insane, stupid, silly, defamatory nonsense like having 100 people killed, the minorities are out to give us diseases, our poor poor guns, the Jews are out to 'replace us'??!

For crying out loud, you people are a parody of yourselves (rightists, that is).
 
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