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AOC vs Trump

fantome profane

Anti-Woke = Anti-Justice
Premium Member
About the GND....
- Do you agree with its urgency & proposals?
- Do you think it's the best way to address GW?
I think it is a vague aspiration policy resolution. As such it is nowhere near urgent enough. What is needed is specific legislation. And that is starting to come.
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
I think it is a vague aspiration policy resolution. As such it is nowhere near urgent enough. What is needed is specific legislation. And that is starting to come.
Let's hope that it's both useful & viable.
But I'll tell you this....they've yet to contact me for my sage advice.
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
@Revoltingest @BSM1 @Shad

If you all have strong arguments, why are you all strawmanning the GND?
I don't have a strong argument for GW's schedule.
But I'm not the one making unsupported quantitative claims.
As for the GND, it's counter-productive for the reasons already given.
To summarize....
- It has no specific proposals to gain support.
- It's widely scorned.
 

icehorse

......unaffiliated...... anti-dogmatist
Premium Member
If we're to eliminate airplanes & cars, why stop there?
Let's think of some other ambitious projects which will work simply
because of unbridled enthusiasm & urgency....
- Anti-gravity technology.
- Faster than light travel.
- A strawberry flavored pill to cure all disease.

This is an example of a strawman. The proposal calls for net-zero, not for elimination.

From about five years ago, here's an example of how reasonable, thoughtful input from scientists goes in congress. An exchange between Obama's presidential science advisor John Holden, and members of the HOUSE COMMITTEE ON SCIENCE, SPACE, and TECHNOLOGY!!!

Start watching at just after 3 minutes..

 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
This is an example of a strawman. The proposal calls for net-zero, not for elimination.
You keep using that term.
But it just doesn't seem to apply.
From about five years ago, here's an example of how reasonable, thoughtful input from scientists goes in congress. An exchange between Obama's presidential science advisor John Holden, and members of the HOUSE COMMITTEE ON SCIENCE, SPACE, and TECHNOLOGY!!!

Start watching at just after 3 minutes..

I'm not doing videos to get info.
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
Even if this were true it does not excuse deliberate use of a straw man fallacy and misrepresentation.
What do you think is a straw man?
If you & the horse would address your objections instead of simply
repeating names of informal logical fallacies, things would be clearer.
 
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Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
I'm sure you're trying to clarify, but you're objecting without saying anything.
If you disagree with a statement, state why.
 

icehorse

......unaffiliated...... anti-dogmatist
Premium Member
That we must eliminate cars & planes to avoid total planetary destruction?

The above is what you said!! I just friggin' quoted you. But the GND DOES NOT CALL for the elimination of cars and planes. So, for you to claim that it does is a strawman argument.

What part of this is unclear to you?
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
The above is what you said!! I just friggin' quoted you. But the GND DOES NOT CALL for the elimination of cars and planes. So, for you to claim that it does is a strawman argument.

What part of this is unclear to you?
Consider this as what I consider a pretty good understanding of the NGD....
Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez Releases Green New Deal Outline
Perhaps you're reading "elimination" as total.
I wouldn't expect that.
 
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