leov
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Many of them have Jewish ancestry.Palestinians are Semitic
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Many of them have Jewish ancestry.Palestinians are Semitic
Somehow I knew this would be about criticism of the Israeli government rather than actual antisemitism.
You don't think focusing on Palestinian oppression without a similar focus on the Holocaust and Antisemitism prejudicial?
Palestinians are Semitic
Teaching about the Holocaust as though it was an entirely unique and unprecedented act of evil is exactly the kind of thinking that is going to blind people from it happening again.
There is (rightfully) a huge emphasis on the Holocaust in North American education, but the average North American is nontheless very ignorant about how the holocaust was allowed to happen, because Nazi's are portrayed as inhuman manifestations of pure evil rather as human actors of the state machine.
A good example of this is when the US ICE director said in 2018 that ICE was not comparable to the Nazi regime because they were "just following orders" the exact defence of Nazis at the Nuremberg trials. Since the Trump presidency there has been a sharp incline of anti-semetic hate crime.
If you are trying to argue that teaching people about the oppression of the Palestinians is a considerable worry in regards to the raising prevalence of Fascism and anti-semetism, you are either very ignorant or blatantly spreading misinformation.
Yep, focusing on current events over historical incidents is "political correctness"Such politically correct things do tend to have their own blind spots. True
When you contextually use words like "oppression" and antisemitism you're setting a narrative because niw you're create a protagonist and antagonist. I think when curriculum are formed there needs to be something that informs the person or persons that such and such curriculum will focus on a particular perspective. I believe you can speak about the experiences from both sides but when you use words it can sway opinion, but alas that is when looking at things contextually but going back, what you wrote I still didn't see anything specifically offensive and antisemitic. you need to point out the antisemitism. Saying Palestinian oppression being the focal point as opposed to antisemitism not not specifying antisemitism, if anything it would specify a potential bias.
I was relying on media reports. After reviewing the curriculum myself it doesn't seem to have anything to do Palestine itself, only Palestinian immigrants. The only bias I presume would be the lack of focus on immigrants from other cultures. Though maybe I missed something.
Many Jews I've spoken with, identify being Jewish with the state of Israel.
This highlights how screwed up our media in America is. So many people believe falsities simply because they unknowing relied on sources feeding them misinformation. Very scary. If it's not reined in, it could set the stage for Fascism or something like Stalinism. It's extremely important for a democracy to have a strong, independent truth-telling press.I was relying on media reports. After reviewing the curriculum myself it doesn't seem to have anything to do Palestine itself, only Palestinian immigrants. The only bias I presume would be the lack of focus on immigrants from other cultures. Though maybe I missed something.
True, but Arabs are Semites, anyway. Jews and Arabs are so similar that they're almost the same. That's why it's so dumb that they hate each other.Many of them have Jewish ancestry.
There is a force that wants it be hate... Real estate involved too.True, but Arabs are Semites, anyway. Jews and Arabs are so similar that they're almost the same. That's why it's so dumb that they hate each other.
"My country, right or wrong" leads to atrocities. Of all people, Jews should know this.Many Jews I've spoken with, identify being Jewish with the state of Israel. As noted in the first article it was an Israeli-American who found the new curriculum disturbing.
X national/ethnic group tend to be bigoted.
Do you seriously not realize how stupid you sound?
Has political correctness gone too far in Calif?
As Americans grapple with shifts in culture and demographics, majority-minority California is developing a high school curriculum in ethnic studies, one of the first nationally. Not long ago — while managing his extracurriculars and winnowing his college choices — Eli Safaie-Kia, 17, found time to discover a draft of it.
Its contents were, in some ways, standard-issue: readings and projects aimed at fostering tolerance, offering non-traditional perspectives and helping a massive, multicultural populace better understand one another. But in other ways, the draft was confusing even to a Generation Z kid from a blue-state. For one, it presented Israel in a way that went heavy on Palestinian oppression and scarcely mentioned the Holocaust...
...Now, as the comment period for the draft approaches its Aug. 15 deadline, hundreds of complaints, suggestions and op-eds have posted, from conservatives who don’t like its depiction of capitalism as a “form of power and oppression,” to parents stumped by its academic jargon to no small number of Californians who, like Safaie-Kia, wonder why it says so little about anti-Semitism.
Is ethnic studies plan too politically correct even for California?
Is this biased towards a leftist position or or is this something reasonable to be teaching in our public schools?
“If you’re going to get into issues related to the Israeli-Palestinian conflict — I don’t know why that would be something you’d do in an American Ethnic Studies course — then do it in a way … that’s inclusive and presents perspectives that young people could do critical thinking about these issues,” said Gabriel, adding that he understands the draft will go through multiple revisions.
Given that involvement in Israel is a major factor driving American Middle Eastern policy, and hence driving much of the attitudes of Middle Easterners towards the US, covering the Palestine/Israel issue is related to America, I'd argue. Considering how many Americans are wildly mis/uninformed about it, yet pontificate on it endlessly (look no further than our own forum), I'd say it's a promising development.An interesting point was raised further on in the article:
That is a good point. If this is referring to American Ethnic Studies, then wouldn't it focus more on the diversity of ethnic groups and events related to America itself?
Given that involvement in Israel is a major factor driving American Middle Eastern policy, and hence driving much of the attitudes of Middle Easterners towards the US, covering the Palestine/Israel issue is related to America, I'd argue. Considering how many Americans are wildly mis/uninformed about it, yet pontificate on it endlessly (look no further than our own forum), I'd say it's a promising development.
...so, like Palestinians?I could be mistaken, but my understanding is that the whole idea behind ethnic studies is to focus on those groups, cultures, and events (or various perspectives on events) which have historically been marginalized or ignored by "mainstream" society.
...so, like Palestinians?