Anti-science

[1AOA1]

Democracy versus Science

Ideology- Democracy

Science- Nuclear program

Conflict- The democratic government of the United States campaigns against science by threatening to impose sanctions on North Korea if they do not halt their nuclear program.

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LAST STAND for North Korea REGIME as NUCLEAR tests bring PYONGYANG facing WEAPONS sanctions - YouTube




Motherhood versus Science

Ideology- Motherhood

Science- Drug experimentation

Conflict- Mother campaigns against science by hindering son's experimentation with drugs.

http://health.usnews.com/health-new...4/a-mothers-perspective-on-her-sons-addiction

 

[Quintessence]

I think that presenting a nation sanctioning another nation for developing nuclear technology as "anti-science" is just a touch misconstrued, sir.

 

[1AOA1]

Opening post update

 

[McBell]

Democracy versus Science

Ideology- Democracy

Science- Nuclear program

Conflict- The democratic government of the United States campaigns against science by threatening to impose sanctions on North Korea if they do not halt their nuclear program.

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LAST STAND for North Korea REGIME as NUCLEAR tests bring PYONGYANG facing WEAPONS sanctions - YouTube




Motherhood versus Science

Ideology- Motherhood

Science- Drug experimentation

Conflict- Mother campaigns against science by hindering son's experimentation with drugs.

A Mother's Perspective on Her Son's Addiction - US News and World Report

You honestly think that the USA being against North Korea having Nuclear capabilities is "anti-science"?

And you think you will be taken seriously?

 

[McBell]

Opening post update

The edit does nothing to help the OP.

 

[1AOA1]

Quintessence "I think that presenting a nation sanctioning another nation for developing nuclear technology as "anti-science" is just a touch misconstrued, sir."

How so?

 

[McBell]

Quintessence "I think that presenting a nation sanctioning another nation for developing nuclear technology as "anti-science" is just a touch misconstrued, sir."

How so?

um...
Because the USA being against North Korea having nuclear capabilities has nothing to do with science and everything to do with politics?

 

[Quintessence]

Quintessence "I think that presenting a nation sanctioning another nation for developing nuclear technology as "anti-science" is just a touch misconstrued, sir."

How so?

Because it's a massive red herring.

The reason why nations disincentive nuclear programs has nothing to do with wanting to be anti-science and everything to do with wanting to be "anti- making nuclear weapons that blow people up" (among other things).

Your other example is just as misconstrued. It has nothing to do with being anti-science, and everything to do with being against use and manufacture of illegal drugs.

 

[1AOA1]

Yet, that's how the "religion versus science" case is built. I'm just giving other examples along the same parameters.

 

[Quintessence]

Yet, that's how the "religion versus science" case is built. I'm just giving other examples along the same parameters.

Okay?

In some cases, I don't disagree, but I think the arguments for occasional conflicts between specific scientific disciplines and specific religious ideas is a little bit more complex than is being accounted for here.

 

[1AOA1]

See that? For the first two examples I gave, you said the ideologies were not against science, let alone a specific scientific discipline. As soon as spirituality comes up, the conflict is between specific scientific disciplines and religion.

 

[Alceste]

Yet, that's how the "religion versus science" case is built. I'm just giving other examples along the same parameters.

Except that nuclear bombs aren't "science", and neither is recreational drug use. One of the most religious developed nations on earth also has the world's largest nuclear arsenal, and some religions explicitly call for the use of recreational drugs for spiritual purposes.

 

[Quintessence]

See that? For the first two examples I gave, you said the ideologies were not against science, let alone a specific scientific discipline. As soon as spirituality comes up, the conflict is between specific scientific disciplines and religion.

I'm not sure you're listening to what I actually said.

That there can be (and are) conflicts between specific scientific ideas and specific concepts found in certain religions (not "religion" - CERTAIN religions and SPECIFIC IDEAS found in SPECIFIC religions) is beyond dispute. This does not mean that there are always conflicts, and there are quite a few areas where there are not or where overgeneralized blaming of "religion" is a red herring.

 

[1AOA1]

Alceste: "Except that nuclear bombs aren't "science","

Nuclear program.

"and neither is recreational drug use."

You don't actually have to be a lab rat for your drug use to be called science.

 

[Alceste]

Alceste: "Except that nuclear bombs aren't "science","

Nuclear program.

"and neither is recreational drug use."

You don't actually have to be a lab rat for your drug use to be called science.

The nuclear program is not science. It's geopolitics. Yes, the Manhattan Project, which invented nukes, was science - 75 years ago. The product they created is not. Think of it this way: at one point in history the pokey stick was the height of human innovation and inquiry, but we don't still call that "science" now, do we?

Lab rats and drug addicts don't do science, they do drugs. Scientists do science.

 

[Yadon]

Except that nuclear bombs aren't "science", and neither is recreational drug use. One of the most religious developed nations on earth also has the world's largest nuclear arsenal, and some religions explicitly call for the use of recreational drugs for spiritual purposes.

Um... a nitpicky thing I want to say.

Drugs used for religious or spiritual purposes are called entheogens, not recreational drugs. Saying they use recreational drugs (and while the drugs used can be used for both) kind of doesn't make an important distinction, at least where society and the law is concerned. Some religious groups get exemption to use drugs on their own land.

 

[Alceste]

Um... a nitpicky thing I want to say.

Drugs used for religious or spiritual purposes are called entheogens, not recreational drugs. Saying they use recreational drugs (and while the drugs used can be used for both) kind of doesn't make an important distinction, at least where society and the law is concerned. Some religious groups get exemption to use drugs on their own land.

Sure, I know. I didn't figure the guy I was talking to would know the word entheogens. I try to be accommodating.

 

[1AOA1]

Quintessence: "I'm not sure you're listening to what I actually said.

That there can be (and are) conflicts between specific scientific ideas"

I'm listening. Note that you first said religious ideas versus scientific disciplines. Now you say religious ideas versus scientific ideas.


"and specific concepts found in certain religions (not "religion" - CERTAIN religions and SPECIFIC IDEAS found in SPECIFIC religions"

That is not really relevant. It doesn't matter what the concept is. If it is seen as spirituality and some kind of hindrance to science, then it is an example of how religion is anti-science in the "religion versus science" case being built.


"This does not mean that there are always conflicts, and there are quite a few areas where there are not or where overgeneralized blaming of "religion" is a red herring."

We are not talking about a scenario where a "religion versus science" case is not being built. We are talking about a scenario where such a case is being built and specifically how that case is built.

 

[Kilgore Trout]

This thread has about as much to do with science as a teenager smoking a spliff in his room.

 

[McBell]

Quintessence: "I'm not sure you're listening to what I actually said.

That there can be (and are) conflicts between specific scientific ideas"

I'm listening. Note that you first said religious ideas versus scientific disciplines. Now you say religious ideas versus scientific ideas.


"and specific concepts found in certain religions (not "religion" - CERTAIN religions and SPECIFIC IDEAS found in SPECIFIC religions"

That is not really relevant. It doesn't matter what the concept is. If it is seen as spirituality and some kind of hindrance to science, then it is an example of how religion is anti-science in the "religion versus science" case being built.


"This does not mean that there are always conflicts, and there are quite a few areas where there are not or where overgeneralized blaming of "religion" is a red herring."

We are not talking about a scenario where a "religion versus science" case is not being built. We are talking about a scenario where such a case is being built and specifically how that case is built.

Do you have any actual examples?

Since neither example in the OP have anything to do with science or religion...