Another Business Bites The Dust Because Of Its Christian Anti-Gay Bias

[9-10ths_Penguin]

This is Biblical exegesis ? So, based upon your implied explanation of Tim 4: 3 The last days he is speaking of began at approx 40 AD and has lasted till today ?

I'm saying that when I look around, most of the people forbidding marriage are the anti-gay Christians.

Gal 3:27-28 , Literally Jews and Greeks stopped being Jews and Greeks ? But the congregations of the time were made up of slaves and free folk, and men and women stopped being men and women ? Christ called himself a door, was he made of wood ?

Of course Paul is talking about equality of all people in the Church. Whatever race, whatever social status whatever sex, all are equal before God.

These verses have absolutely nothing to do with homosexual marriage, and you know it.

Debatable. The Bible is the Big Book of Multiple Choice, after all. It's an echo chamber. Whatever view you want to hold, you can insert into it and have it come out as "God's word."

 

[shmogie]

Wow! What a way to play word gymnastics and try to put the focus on something entirely unrelated and obscure the meaning of a word to try to make it seem like something other than what it actually is.
But you have a history of doing that, it seems.
And don't forget, phobia doesn't refer exclusively to fear. It does include hatred, hostility, aversion, loathing, and detesting.

Not according to the dictionary. Why not just say what you mean, homosexual hating ?

 

[shmogie]

I'm saying that when I look around, most of the people forbidding marriage are the anti-gay Christians.


Debatable. The Bible is the Big Book of Multiple Choice, after all. It's an echo chamber. Whatever view you want to hold, you can insert into it and have it come out as "God's word."

Anti gay ? what exactly does that mean ?

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Not according to the dictionary. Why not just say what you mean, homosexual hating ?

I bring you: The dictionary definition!

-phobia

noun combining form
Definition of -phobia (Entry 2 of 2)

1 : exaggerated fear of

2 : intolerance or aversion for

How's that foot taste?

 

[PruePhillip]

Kinda going off the rails, cowboy.

Factual, nonetheless.

 

[PruePhillip]

It won't be long before "homophobic" and "anti gay" won't be POV's
but indictable offenses. Same too with not allowing your kids to be
exposed to gay, transgender, feminist beliefs.
Going back to the 1980's gays would tell you they weren't promoting
homosexuality, or gay marriage etc but "decriminalization" of the
practice. But of course, they lied.
But lies are just Judaeo/Christian concepts.
And this is how pornography, divorce, broken homes, living together,
drug legalization/normalization, contempt of authority, child sexualization,
pederasty, polygamy, violence etc became normal.
It's also why we have cameras everywhere, why police wear bullet
proof vests, the government takes care of you etc..

 

[Jainarayan]

It won't be long before "homophobic" and "anti gay" won't be POV's
but indictable offenses. Same too with not allowing your kids to be
exposed to gay, transgender, feminist beliefs.
Going back to the 1980's gays would tell you they weren't promoting
homosexuality, or gay marriage etc but "decriminalization" of the
practice. But of course, they lied.
But lies are just Judaeo/Christian concepts.
And this is how pornography, divorce, broken homes, living together,
drug legalization/normalization, contempt of authority, child sexualization,
pederasty, polygamy, violence etc became normal.
It's also why we have cameras everywhere, why police wear bullet
proof vests, the government takes care of you etc..

This...

 

[shmogie]

I bring you: The dictionary definition!


How's that foot taste?

So, now look up intolerant and see what that means. If I have a phobia regarding heights, I am intolerant of heights, If I have a peanut allergy, I am intolerant of peanuts.

You want to make the leap to intolerance being some form of wrong discrimination.

Phobia's are clinical conditions. People with phobia's cannot help themselves ( sound familiar ?) discard their phobia's without some form of intervention.

So, if there is such thing as homophobia, those afflicted are not at fault.

What we have here is another example of a term with a meaning being co opted with a new meaning, someone who chooses to hate homosexuals.

 

[Evangelicalhumanist]

It won't be long before "homophobic" and "anti gay" won't be POV's
but indictable offenses. Same too with not allowing your kids to be
exposed to gay, transgender, feminist beliefs.
Going back to the 1980's gays would tell you they weren't promoting
homosexuality, or gay marriage etc but "decriminalization" of the
practice. But of course, they lied.
But lies are just Judaeo/Christian concepts.
And this is how pornography, divorce, broken homes, living together,
drug legalization/normalization, contempt of authority, child sexualization,
pederasty, polygamy, violence etc became normal.
It's also why we have cameras everywhere, why police wear bullet
proof vests, the government takes care of you etc..

Oh, please, spare us!

I don't know any gay person who thinks that "promoting homosexuality" will have the tiniest effect on changing people's orientation. We're not that stupid. After all, we know full well that living in a highly heterosexual world throughout our formative and later years didn't turn us into straights!

And by the way, most of the pornography in the world is straight, and most of it is produced in the most religious country in the western world -- the US. Same with divorce. and by the way, polygamy is essentially a religious tradition in the western world, and by its very nature is, well, um, heterosexual.

So how you got to where you did starting from homophobia is a tad beyond me.

 

[Baladas]

"Wedding Mag Shuts Down After Advertisers Flee from Anti-Gay Christian Publishers​

White is an Australian publication all about weddings: what to wear, what couples should know heading into the big day, what the latest trends are, etc. If you’ve ever had a wedding, these are the kinds of publications that start piling up inside your home.

After the nation legalized marriage equality last year, Luke and Carla Burrell, the husband and wife team that started the magazine, decided they didn’t want to show gay or lesbian couples in their pages because their Christian faith doesn’t accept same-sex marriage as legitimate.

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Advertisers responded by yanking their money.

Now White is going out of business. (Cue the waaaahmbulance.)

"White Magazine has always been a secular publication, but as its publishers, we are Christian.
We have no agenda but to love. We have no desire to create a social, political or legal war, which only divides people further and does more damage than good. To us, our faith is anchored in love without judgement.

Recently we’ve experienced a flood of judgement. We know much of that comes hand-in-hand with running a public magazine. But we are also just two humans fumbling our way through these big questions and like anyone else, and we don’t have all the answers.

Instead of allowing us the space to work through our thoughts and feelings, or being willing to engage in brave conversations to really hear each other’s stories, some have just blindly demanded that we pick a side. We’re not about sides, we’re about love, patience and kindness. A campaign was launched targeting the magazine, our team and our advertisers. Couples who have featured in our magazine have also been the subject of online abuse despite their individual beliefs. We’re really saddened by this."
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That’s all just Christianese for “We don’t think gay marriage counts and LGBTQ people are icky.” It doesn’t matter how many times you say the word “love” when your actions scream “hate.”

They can call it a secular publication all they want, but they didn’t need to put Bible verses in the pages to make their point of view comes through. They have freedom of religion, but advertisers have freedom not to support bigotry. If the Burrells can’t make money by promoting their brand of only-straight-couples-matter, that’s their problem. It’s no different from if they refused to post images of interracial couples because their faith says that’s wrong; they’re welcome to have that policy and others are free to ignore their magazine and pull advertising from it."
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GOOD ENOUGH FOR 'EM

Good riddance.

 

[dianaiad]

I like this version of squelching bigotry.

I really dislike the lawsuit method.
Tom

Now, I know that some people who have interacted with me on this issue will be taken a bit aback by this, but I completely agree with you.

Advertisers and potential customers have the absolute right to choose who to patronize and advertise with. If they don't like the attitude of the business, then they should refrain from doing business with it.

THAT is exercising freedom of speech and religion in it's best form.

Having the government force a business to violate its owner's religious beliefs is a very, very dangerous, and in my opinion, completely unconstitutional, way to go.....and the story of this particular couple and publication shows that it is not necessary. Free market pressure works just fine.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

So, now look up intolerant and see what that means. If I have a phobia regarding heights, I am intolerant of heights, If I have a peanut allergy, I am intolerant of peanuts.

You want to make the leap to intolerance being some form of wrong discrimination.

Phobia's are clinical conditions. People with phobia's cannot help themselves ( sound familiar ?) discard their phobia's without some form of intervention.

So, if there is such thing as homophobia, those afflicted are not at fault.

What we have here is another example of a term with a meaning being co opted with a new meaning, someone who chooses to hate homosexuals.

So, you want the dictionary definition then want to declare the dictiknary definition null? Such a fine logic you have going on.

 

[PruePhillip]

This...

We need to define what we mean by "sky is falling"
In 1900 there was an "epidemic of divorce"
.... the divorce rate reached 3%.
Read, three percent.

When divorce laws were liberalized in the 1960's and 1970's
it was *** claimed **** there won't be an avalanche of divorces
and broken homes. These laws (like the transgender ones now)
"will only apply to a minority of couples."
Saying divorce would effect half the population was "being extreme"
and "alarmist" and "engaging in slippery slope arguments."

As it was, nearly HALF of all marriages now end in the divorce
court. In the Afro American community three quarters of all kids
are in single parent "families." And this is the biggest predictor
of crime.
So, yes, the sky did fall when it comes to divorce.

Now try the porn epidemic
drug epidemic
gambling epidemic

 

[Kangaroo Feathers]

We need to define what we mean by "sky is falling"
In 1900 there was an "epidemic of divorce"
.... the divorce rate reached 3%.
Read, three percent.

When divorce laws were liberalized in the 1960's and 1970's
it was *** claimed **** there won't be an avalanche of divorces
and broken homes. These laws (like the transgender ones now)
"will only apply to a minority of couples."
Saying divorce would effect half the population was "being extreme"
and "alarmist" and "engaging in slippery slope arguments."

As it was, nearly HALF of all marriages now end in the divorce
court. In the Afro American community three quarters of all kids
are in single parent "families." And this is the biggest predictor
of crime.
So, yes, the sky did fall when it comes to divorce.

Now try the porn epidemic
drug epidemic
gambling epidemic

Soooo... you'd prefer people to be forced by law to stay in loveless, even abusive marriages?

 

[PruePhillip]

Soooo... you'd prefer people to be forced by law to stay in loveless, even abusive marriages?

And force the 99.9 percent normal to conform to the one tenth of one percent of transgender kids.
And dumb down over-achieving kids to the slower ones in the classroom.
And legalize drugs for the 2% of addicts.
And normalize abortion because a few rape victims got pregnant.
Get the picture? It's a race to the bottom. We all wind up being like the saddest elements in our
society.

 

[Kangaroo Feathers]

I see answering simple questions isn't your strong point. Let's try again;
"Soooo... you'd prefer people to be forced by law to stay in loveless, even abusive marriages?"?

And force the 99.9 percent normal to conform to the one tenth of one percent of transgender kids.

What does that even mean? "conform" to what, exactly?

And dumb down over-achieving kids to the slower ones in the classroom.

Who is suggesting that?

And legalize drugs for the 2% of addicts.

Who is suggesting that?

And normalize abortion because a few rape victims got pregnant.

Rape is just one of the issues in the abortion discussion.

Get the picture? It's a race to the bottom. We all wind up being like the saddest elements in our
socitey.

I don't get the picture. You seem to have a very "zero sum" view. Giving other people rights and freedoms doesn't actually diminish your rights and freedoms.

 

[shmogie]

So, you want the dictionary definition then want to declare the dictiknary definition null? Such a fine logic you have going on.

No, In all cases, except your pet case, a phobia is a clinical issue. A person doesn´t choose to have a phobia. They don´t wake up one morning and say I think I will be terrified of, and hate, spiders today.

Here is a case of true homophobia. Someone I know very well had a much older cousin who was a homosexual , this person molested the person I know when he was 9 years old. FRom this point forward this person feared and hated homosexuals. He didn´t choose to, he couldn´t help it. In middle age, he sorted it out, and as a Christian, the phobia subsided.

This was a REAL phobia, like all other phobiaś

Using homophobia as a catchall for anyone who despises hommosexuals isn´t accurasate

 

[Shadow Wolf]

No, In all cases, except your pet case, a phobia is a clinical issue.

It's only a clinical issue when someone seeks treatment for it.

A person doesn´t choose to have a phobia.

True, they are learned. But what they can control is how they behave around that which triggers their phobia. Will an arachnophobe squash a spider or observe one and attempt to control their anxiety? Will someone who hates snakes reach for a shovel to kill one or line up to hold one at a reptile showing? Will the homophobe jabber on about hellfire and eternal judgement to a homosexual and antagonize them where they would not antagonize others or let them be to live their own life in peace?

They don´t wake up one morning and say I think I will be terrified of, and hate, spiders today.

But they can wake up and think "no Negroes allowed will stand today, tomorrow, and forever," or think "today I begin working on getting over myself."

This was a REAL phobia, like all other phobiaś

Even you have now admitted that hatred is a part of the phobia.

 

[shmogie]

It's only a clinical issue when someone seeks treatment for it.

True, they are learned. But what they can control is how they behave around that which triggers their phobia. Will an arachnophobe squash a spider or observe one and attempt to control their anxiety? Will someone who hates snakes reach for a shovel to kill one or line up to hold one at a reptile showing? Will the homophobe jabber on about hellfire and eternal judgement to a homosexual and antagonize them where they would not antagonize others or let them be to live their own life in peace?

But they can wake up and think "no Negroes allowed will stand today, tomorrow, and forever," or think "today I begin working on getting over myself."

Even you have now admitted that hatred is a part of the phobia.

In the case I cited, yes. I know what occurs, but homosexual, black, jew, whatever hatred is that, hatred. Phobia may be part of it, or not.

Phobia and hate are not interchangeable words

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Phobia and hate are not interchangeable words

You are the one who insisted on the dictionary definition. Why not admit your error and try again?
And do realize, language is not static and is in a constant state of flux. And indeed at least a few words have changed meaning over the course of my life, both in a clinical setting and day-to-day informal living.