samtonga43
Well-Known Member
Which situation?
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Why do you think they are not synonyms?
Wildswanderer
Veteran Member
God hates sin. That's not the same as you hating a human. God has all knowledge and wisdom. You don't.
Trailblazer
Veteran Member
The Writings of Baha'u'llah are not old books, they are new books.
Alien826
No religious beliefs
The Writings of Baha'u'llah are not old books, they are new books.
Didn't he die in 1892 (wiki)? That's quite old for even the latest of his writings.
Sgt. Pepper
All you need is love.
In reality, that's your religious belief based on your spiritual convictions, but obviously, others, like me, believe differently than you do.
Alien826
No religious beliefs
No doubt.
No it isn't. Do you really not see the difference between talking about something that someone considers to be real and talking about someone else's beliefs about something?
Maybe I missed where you said that. I'd like you to address the main question though. Worshiping God may be beneficial to us, but surely it's a side issue. My point was that a benevolent God must have some overriding and very persuasive reason to create this world, that makes all the suffering worth while. So we can worship him, doesn't seem to be enough.
Yes, OK.
Indeed. May your hope be fulfilled.
Only if he is benevolent.
Killing someone is not the worst thing one can do. How about keeping us alive so we can suffer longer?
Right.
Alien826
No religious beliefs
There could only be one all-powerful God, by definition. What if they had some kind of trial of strength? Which would win?
On the other hand, I don't see any logical objection to multiple gods that are not all powerful. There have been lots of belief systems with multiple gods with different degrees of power.
Alien826
No religious beliefs
I don't know. I don't claim any knowledge of any gods. But I can see a situation where it makes sense. That would be where the "real" God didn't much care about what definition we used, but was prepared to help us anyway. In a world with no god/s, yes it would be a placebo. Like so many things we use to comfort ourselves.
Alien826
No religious beliefs
I think the point is that a god that was not totally benevolent (whatever that means) would not be expected to fix everything. That wouldn't make him a total sadist. If we could see some fixing going on, we could cut him some slack on the basis of superior knowledge or something. Also, and I prefer this, maybe he wouldn't be all powerful and all knowing. Maybe he's doing his best.
I think we need all three omnis for the PoE to have its full effect.
Trailblazer
Veteran Member
Yes, He did die in 1892, but His books are still the 'latest' Word of God that has been written.
“…….. Once in about a thousand years shall this City be renewed and readorned…
That City is none other than the Word of God revealed in every age and dispensation. In the days of Moses it was the Pentateuch; in the days of Jesus, the Gospel; in the days of Muhammad, the Messenger of God, the Qur’án; in this day, the Bayán; and in the Dispensation of Him Whom God will make manifest, His own Book—the Book unto which all the Books of former Dispensations must needs be referred, the Book that standeth amongst them all transcendent and supreme.”
Gleanings From the Writings of Bahá’u’lláh, pp. 269-270
From: Tablet of the True Seeker
Trailblazer
Veteran Member
Sgt. Pepper
All you need is love.
As a Wiccan and polytheist, I believe in multiple gods and goddesses, but I can't provide empirical and verifiable evidence of their existence. I can't prove their existence because I'm not omniscient and omnipotent and I can't be ever-present everywhere to know without a doubt that they actually exist. And while I can't prove that these gods and goddesses exist, I still choose to believe because I believe in the supernatural and I have personal reasons for my beliefs. By the same token, I cannot provide empirical and verifiable evidence that the God of the Bible does not exist, just as when I was a Christian, I could not provide empirical and verifiable evidence that God exists. Furthermore, I believe that any claims made by Christians that "God saved me and transformed my life" or "I sense God's presence in my life, so I know he is real" are anecdotal evidence and do not meet the criteria for empirical and verifiable proof.
Sgt. Pepper
All you need is love.
Yes, I know. I was just giving @Aupmanyav a bad time, returning the favor.
Oh, my bad. Well, since you explained your intentions, then I take back my [disgruntled] response to your post.
Trailblazer
Veteran Member
Yes, I see the difference. However, when atheists talk about God they are talking about God.
There is no get out of jail free card. I mean they cannot talk about God and ten say they are NOT talking about God just because they claim to not believe God exists.
No, so we can worship God is not the only reason that God created this world. God created this world as a classroom so we can grow spiritually by living in this world and thereby prepare ourselves for life in the next world, which is a spiritual world.
Sorry, but that does not fly. The premise upon which the Problem of Evil is based is that if God was benevolent there would be no suffering in this world. I consider it absurd to expect for there to be no suffering just because some people don't like suffering.
It appears as if God has kept you alive for a good amount of time. Are you suffering? Are you sorry you have lived this long? I hope you live a bit longer because I like talking to you, you ask good questions.
Trailblazer
Veteran Member
No, you are not bad. My intentions could have been easily missed or misunderstood.
Aupmanyav
Be your own guru
"The Writings of Baha'u'llah are not old books, they are new books.": Yeah, they are around 150 year old, but they do not contain anything new. It is old wine in new bottle. Ideologically, Bahaollah lived in 7th Century.
"Yes, I know. I was just giving @Aupmanyav a bad time, returning the favor.": No one can give me bad time. I have passed that kind of thing. One who does not speak a lie, never faces bad times. Your posts are welcome.
"Yes, I know. I was just giving @Aupmanyav a bad time, returning the favor.": No one can give me bad time. I have passed that kind of thing. One who does not speak a lie, never faces bad times. Your posts are welcome.
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ppp
Well-Known Member
We are talking about the coherence of your depiction of your god. Not your god. We don't have a god to examine. You know that, right?
Aupmanyav
Be your own guru
"I still choose to believe because I believe in the supernatural and I have personal reasons for my beliefs. By the same token, I cannot provide empirical and verifiable evidence that the God of the Bible does not exist, just as when I was a Christian, I could not provide empirical and verifiable evidence that God exists. Furthermore, I believe that any claims made by Christians that "God saved me and transformed my life" or "I sense God's presence in my life, so I know he is real" are anecdotal evidence and do not meet the criteria for empirical and verifiable proof.": That is the difference in our views, Sgt. Pepper. You may have your personal reasons to believe in supernatural, but I do not have any.