Am I reading Quran or from the Yajurveda? O’ Brahman! O’ G-d!

[ratikala]

namaskaram Aupmanyav ji

Ratiben, people may disagree with me but I am Lord Krishna and none other. There is nothing else in the world. Even you are that.
Please remember, I am an 'advaitist'. And 'advaitists' are a different breed.

prabhu ji , ....all here know you to be your own version of Hinduism , you are different bread even from most 'advaitists', ...however in my mind you are free to think as you will , .....

yes in some respects I am that , ...but not in Fullness , .and you Prabhu much as we love you , and it is true that you have paramatma at the heart , ...you are not our Kanhaiya , .....

By Me, in My unmanifested form, this entire universe is pervaded. All beings are in Me, but I am not in them.

And yet everything that is created does not rest in Me. Behold My mystic opulence! Although I am the maintainer of all living entities, and although I am everywhere, still My Self is the very source of creation.​

As the mighty wind, blowing everywhere, always rests in ethereal space know that in the same manner all beings rest in Me. chapter ..9 verses ..4 - 6​

 

[Aupmanyav]

.. you are not our Kanhaiya, ..

Ratiben, That is 'maya'. You are missing the substance.

 

[von bek]

Namaskaram young changling ji

I am perplexed , .....as a Buddhist you did not beleive , or would not accept any remotely theistic slant but now you reapear in a new identity , ......as a Helenistic Polytheist , .prehaps you will explain this change later ? ......however , ...I wish you well

No need to be perplexed. I do not believe in the type of god that you see Krishna as, an eternal one god that is the single source of all things in the universe. I fully accept multiplicity. I believe in the gods, I have said that on numerous occasions. I began worshipping the Greek gods as a kid, (I'm 38, now) so this is nothing new. I tattooed the symbol of Hermes on my chest over ten years ago.

On the subject of Buddhism, I have always said that there is room for the gods; but, not God as understood by monotheists, or advaitins for that matter. Personally, there are some aspects of Buddhist thought I have found myself moving away from. Enough so that I feel it best to emphasize my pagan beliefs as they have taken front and center in my life. There is still much wisdom I find in the Buddha's teachings and have by no means completely disregarded them. I just think it most honest to present myself as I am, which is what I have been for most of my life. A pagan who worships the Hellenic gods.

 

[ratikala]

Namaskaram Von bek ji

No need to be perplexed. I do not believe in the type of god that you see Krishna as, an eternal one god that is the single source of all things in the universe. I fully accept multiplicity. I believe in the gods, I have said that on numerous occasions. I began worshipping the Greek gods as a kid, (I'm 38, now) so this is nothing new. I tattooed the symbol of Hermes on my chest over ten years ago.

May I ask a polite question , .....If one belives in a multiplicity of gods , rather than one eternal source of all ..where do these gods come from , and where do they go at the end of or dissolution of this material universe ?

On the subject of Buddhism, I have always said that there is room for the gods; but, not God as understood by monotheists, or advaitins for that matter. Personally, there are some aspects of Buddhist thought I have found myself moving away from. Enough so that I feel it best to emphasize my pagan beliefs as they have taken front and center in my life. There is still much wisdom I find in the Buddha's teachings and have by no means completely disregarded them. I just think it most honest to present myself as I am, which is what I have been for most of my life. A pagan who worships the Hellenic gods.

please there is realy no need to explain oneself , but it is interesting perhaps it is a conversation for another day .

but on the subject of Monotheism which is perhaps an awkward word which dosent quite fit when discussing eastern religious beleifs , there must surely be Paramehvara a source of all existance , beings , be they Buddhist gods or Helenic gods ?

 

[ratikala]

namaskaram Aupmanyav ji

Ratiben, That is 'maya'. You are missing the substance.

Hmm mmm, ....I have only one replty to this cheekiness of yours , ....

Achintya bheda abheda

 

[ratikala]

p.s. Tattva

 

[von bek]

May I ask a polite question , .....If one belives in a multiplicity of gods , rather than one eternal source of all ..where do these gods come from , and where do they go at the end of or dissolution of this material universe ?

The gods come from their parents, like we do! As to ultimate origin of all things, I believe the cosmos itself has given rise to life. But, I do not see the cosmos as a personality, it is impersonal. The gods, who I see as real personalities, came later.

please there is realy no need to explain oneself , but it is interesting perhaps it is a conversation for another day .

but on the subject of Monotheism which is perhaps an awkward word which dosent quite fit when discussing eastern religious beleifs , there must surely be Paramehvara a source of all existance , beings , be they Buddhist gods or Helenic gods ?

Must there be? And if there is, must is be a personality itself?

 

[Aupmanyav]

The gods come from their parents, like we do!

In Hinduism, not all.

 

[ratikala]

namaskaram Von bek ji

The gods come from their parents, like we do! As to ultimate origin of all things, I believe the cosmos itself has given rise to life. But, I do not see the cosmos as a personality, it is impersonal. The gods, who I see as real personalities, came later.

jai jai so gods have parents this at least I can understand , ....but then gods parents have parents , then there is also motivation of goodness which motivates gods to create new gods this is the question all have to answer , ...but for me I canot see that there is not a motivating force , ...that there is not an order to the cosmos , I canot see that it is a random occurance , that Goodness just arose , as in Buddhist beleif all things have a cause , can ther be an efect without cause ? ....

Must there be? And if there is, must is be a personality itself?

to me yes , ....''presonality '' ..in that this supreme source must have characteristics , but it must also be so that these characteristics are beyond our full comprehension , a Vaisnava beleives that there is one original eternal source from which all universes arrise and into which all universes eventualy desolve , this is an eternal cycle ...thinking that this eternality is without atributes would be closer to Advaitin thought , ...

to me if there were not an 'all knowing' , there could not be atainable knowledge , ...if all existance were not pervaded by that supreme knowledge we would have no desire for awakening , ....thus we say that the Supreme is ''all knowing , all seeing and all powerfull'' , ....this canot be possible if the supreme does not posess atributes , ....

so my next question to you , ...if gods are created by parent gods , and if these parent gods posess power which they pass to their offspring , where does their power come from , what is the motivating source of this power ?
where does the power of these elemental gods come from?