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Featured After watching a Jordan Peterson I've feel compelled to be an atheist again

Discussion in 'Religious Debates' started by dfnj, Dec 2, 2018.

  1. dfnj

    dfnj Well-Known Member

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    I'm trying to understand why there has been so much criticisms of what is being taught in Universities. I've been trying to understand what is postmodernism and recent criticisms of it. I've been trying understand why the right as been so critical of postmodernism. And also, why anyone who suggests government has a role in addressing social injustice or economic inequality is instantly labeled a communist and is trying to promote genocide of the downtrodden.

    So I've watched a number of Jordan Peterson's videos but I think this one best summarizes his way of thinking:



    What's really amazing about his video is how the people in the audience gobble it up. Essentially what Peterson is saying is there is only one absolute truth. And that truth is his truth. And any other interpretation or way of thinking is wrong if it somehow questions his authority about what is absolute truth. This kind of bothered me but I could not really put my finger on it perfectly because a lot of what Peterson spews is fancy word salad with really large pieces of lettuce. So I then spent some time looking for criticisms of his way of thinking. This is one of the best video I found criticizing what Peterson is saying:



    Even with the video, I'm still trying to wrap my head around all his words salads. But as far as I can tell any criticisms he makes of postmodernism and socialism equally apply to his own way of thinking. He also doesn't seem to appreciate correlation doesn't always prove causation. Having power corrupts right wing politicians equally as much as left wing politicians. Theists and atheists are probably exhibiting immoral behaviors in equal proportions. But who am I to argue with absolute truth when someone as prestigious as Jordan Peterson is pretending to speak for God?

    So I find myself having feelings of becoming more anti-Christian because I simple cannot stand people like Jordan Peterson. I think he's a fancy televangelist fleecing right wingers in some kind of delusional made up absolute truth. I'm beginning to see my atheist friends way of thinking about Christianity has having more sense.
     
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  2. Duke_Leto

    Duke_Leto Active Member

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    Are you saying that you see his manner of speaking/persuasion reflected in defenders of Christianity?
     
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    I agree with you about Peterson, but I can't say I agree with you about Christianity.
     
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  4. sun rise

    sun rise "Let there be peace and love among all"
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    There are those in every religion who are "I'm totally right/good and you are totally wrong/evil". This kind of black and white thinking can be found in believers and atheists alike. I personally try to pay little attention to such people.

    But there are also those who find their belief helpful and congenial to themselves while avoiding that narrow judgemental view.
     
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  5. dfnj

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    Pretending there exists some kind of objective truth supporting the Bible seems idiotic to me. There is no objective reason for having faith in God as far as I have found.
     
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    Maybe Christianity is not the right label. What I meant is the people who applaud what Peterson is saying as some objective absolute truth is what I have issue with. Do you label the people or the way they believe. I'm sure there good people but I do like the way they judge other people as if they speak for God. As far as I can tell nobody I have ever heard speaks for God. I'm sure there is some speech divinely inspired but I will take your word for it. I can't see it. All all seems like people trying to interpret their experiences through the lens of the their cultural history (including bias, prejudice, or bigotry).
     
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    Here's another criticism of Jordan Peterson:



    Make sure your children have the same psychosis you do.
     
  8. sun rise

    sun rise "Let there be peace and love among all"
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    Have you read about "Pascal's Wager"? The Wikipedia entry I referenced has more about it than I care to read. But if not, it's apparently about believing in God as a means to get into heaven if God exists with no downside. I write "apparently" because that article goes into a lot of detail about the meaning of the "wager".

    But outside of that, I agree that there is no objective reason that I know of. Some are taught belief as children and never question it. Others look for something comforting and seize on religion to calm their fears. Others have different motivations.

    Some have a dramatic experience that convinces them that there is something beyond the physical and an ultimate reality to which they give the name "God".

    Others find themselves interested in the question of meaning and purpose to life beyond mere physical existence. This can lead to using the word "God" to describe what they feel must be true.
     
  9. Kangaroo Feathers

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    A lot of it is tribalist strawmanning, a lot of it is based on the fact it's hard to have a dichotomous good guy vs. bad guy when postmodern nuances and deconstruction raise questions about the old recieved wisdoms. Once upon a time you could just say "Communism is bad, m'kay?" and every one just went along with it. Univerities encourage people to ask questions like "WHY is Communism bad?" which causes some serious cognitive disonance when you've built an entire national project around the concept, but never once asked if it was justified.
     
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    If you think there's a God, be a theist...just don't be the Jordan Peterson kind.
    If you think there's no God, stay with our heathen ranks, despite that @lewisnotmiller character.

    Don't let others define you.
     
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    He redefines words to suit his arguments.
    Listen to how he defines 'religion' in his debate with Sam Harris. It's is total garbage; "I'm losing the argument therefore I'll redefine a key word, then I'll be winning again. And totally confuse my opponent"
     
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    Jordan Peterson only represents Jordan Peterson, and not reason to believe nor disbelieve in anything.
     
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    Out of interest, how does he define it?
     
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    so .....I got as far as three minutes into it......and shut it off

    thanks anyway
     
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    R u proposing he actually understamds the topic god and the bible? There is no evidence at all that exists that he understamds either the bible, god, or nature.. So..... Lack of evidence one has to conclude we are talking bigfoot theories..
     
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    There's an awful lot of that around
     
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    That is a perfectly normal reaction to the drivel that Jordan Peterson spews on a much too frequent basis.
     
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    Everyone just went along with it because they actually had a clue. If you don't know why communism is bad try reading Richard Wurmbrand's book; Tortured for Christ. All communists can really do is say "It's not real communism". We've heard that for years. But it's the no true Scotsman's fallacy.

    Cognitive dissonance is just what you have to have in order to believe anything is good about communism.
     
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    Thank you for perfectly demonstrating precisely the cognitive disonance inspired kneejerk defensiveness I was referring to. That was absolutely textbook. Hard to believe we didn't practice in advance!
     
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