A Universe from Nothing?

[paarsurrey]

A Universe from Nothing?

God created both nothingness and something, else something would have not existed, not at all.

Regards

 

[Ben Dhyan]

A Universe from Nothing?

God created both nothingness and something, else something would have not existed, not at all.

Regards

I understand that something exists, but please explain what this nothingness is that God created?

 

[godnotgod]

A Universe from Nothing?

God created both nothingness and something, else something would have not existed, not at all.

Regards

While I agree that nothingness is essential to the existence of something, or everything, the nature of nothingness is that it is uncreated, contrary to what you stated. So out of the Uncreated, comes the (seemiingly) 'Created'. Why do I say that? Because what we see as having been created is just an illusion. IOW, this so called 'material' world we call The Creation, is actually a projection of the consciousness the essence of which is Nothingness, just as the illusory dream is a projection from the non-dream world of wakefulness. The difference is that the 'material' world is an illusion of a higher calibre than that of the illusion of the dream. The dream vanishes upon waking, while the material Universe remains present even when its illusory facade is detected. So what is this 'illusory facade' that is detected as such? The Hindus call it maya; the Buddhists call it Sunyata; Quantum Physics calls the mass of the atom virtual in nature.

 

[godnotgod]

Sure, the Mesopotamia have earlier myths of the netherworld. But the Christian myth on the afterlife had borrowed something closer to their own times.

There was a fair size population of Jews living Alexandria, in Ptolemaic Egypt (Hellenistic period). Alexandria was said to be place, where they began translating Hebrew scriptures into Greek.

The netherworld that Ishtar/Inanna visited is where all deceased shades go to, regardless whether the person was good or bad. There are no judgments here in the Sumerian-Babylonian myths.

The whole judging the soul, and the afterlife, come from early Egyptian myth.

Jews living in Greek-speaking Alexandria, would have easily come into contact with Egyptian and Greek religions and their related myths.

How far back do you suppose the IDEA of hell goes in men's minds, regardless of recorded history?

 

[paarsurrey]

While I agree that nothingness is essential to the existence of something, or everything, the nature of nothingness is that it is uncreated, contrary to what you stated. So out of the Uncreated, comes the (seemiingly) 'Created'. Why do I say that? Because what we see as having been created is just an illusion. IOW, this so called 'material' world we call The Creation, is actually a projection of the consciousness the essence of which is Nothingness, just as the illusory dream is a projection from the non-dream world of wakefulness. The difference is that the 'material' world is an illusion of a higher calibre than that of the illusion of the dream. The dream vanishes upon waking, while the material Universe remains present even when its illusory facade is detected. So what is this 'illusory facade' that is detected as such? The Hindus call it maya; the Buddhists call it Sunyata; Quantum Physics calls the mass of the atom virtual in nature.

Whose projection of consciousness is it? Please
Regards

 

[paarsurrey]

While I agree that nothingness is essential to the existence of something, or everything, the nature of nothingness is that it is uncreated, contrary to what you stated. So out of the Uncreated, comes the (seemiingly) 'Created'. Why do I say that? Because what we see as having been created is just an illusion. IOW, this so called 'material' world we call The Creation, is actually a projection of the consciousness the essence of which is Nothingness, just as the illusory dream is a projection from the non-dream world of wakefulness. The difference is that the 'material' world is an illusion of a higher calibre than that of the illusion of the dream. The dream vanishes upon waking, while the material Universe remains present even when its illusory facade is detected. So what is this 'illusory facade' that is detected as such? The Hindus call it maya; the Buddhists call it Sunyata; Quantum Physics calls the mass of the atom virtual in nature.

"The dream vanishes upon waking, while the material Universe remains present even when its illusory facade is detected."

Does one agree that both the dream and being awake are both illusions? The dream is an illusion when one is half dead, and awake-ness is relatively more lasting, yet an illusion that one sees when one is alive in this world. Right? Please
Life in the hereafter is therefore more real than the life in this temporal world.
Regards

 

[godnotgod]

Whose projection of consciousness is it? Please
Regards

Must there exist an agent of consciousness?

 

[godnotgod]

"The dream vanishes upon waking, while the material Universe remains present even when its illusory facade is detected."

Does one agree that both the dream and being awake are both illusions? The dream is an illusion when one is half dead, and awake-ness is relatively more lasting, yet an illusion that one sees when one is alive. Right? Please
Life in the hereafter is therefore more real than the life in this teomporal world.
Regards

Part of what you say is true. Most of mankind thinks they are awake when they rise from sleep, but they are still in a state of Identification, or Waking Sleep. They are only partially awake, thinking this temporal world (and themselves) to be reality. But their partial wakefulness is actually more real than some notion of a non-existent hereafter that is neither here nor there. A further Awakening can occur which IS absolutely real, but it can only occur in this Present Moment, and never in some imaginary future Paradise. That Awakening reveals the Absolute behind the temporal. Yeshua said:

'Before Abraham was, I Am'

and:

'I am not of this world'

IOW, Yeshua is saying that he is not an outcome of history in Time and Space, as Abraham was; not someone living in Identification; his Being is only in the Present, where there is no Time or Space. That Being is Pure Consciousness.

 

[MonkeyFire]

Nothing is incapable, and impossible. Its also untrue.

 

[MonkeyFire]

Of course you do. That's because you're surgically attached to your dogma.

duality

As hinted at by the word "dual" within it, duality refers to having two parts, often with opposite meanings, like the duality of good and evil.

If there are two sides to a coin, metaphorically speaking, there's a duality. Peace and war, love and hate, up and down, and black and white are dualities*. Another term for a duality is a dichotomy.

duality - Dictionary Definition
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*...along with heaven and hell.

What about something-Nothing, Possibe-impossibe, reason-no reason.

 

[godnotgod]

What about something-Nothing, Possibe-impossibe, reason-no reason.

Yes, of course. Then there is Absolute Nothingness, which has no relative opposite.

 

[MonkeyFire]

Yes, of course. Then there is Absolute Nothingness, which has no relative opposite.

It can't be an absolute. Its nill.

 

[godnotgod]

It can't be an absolute. Its nill.

Absolutely nil.

 

[godnotgod]

Nothing is incapable, and impossible. Its also untrue.

In the image below, the background, or field against which the figure of a dancer can be seen, it is absolutely essential to the image. So nothing is not only possible and true, it is capable if not essential.

 

[paarsurrey]

"The dream vanishes upon waking, while the material Universe remains present even when its illusory facade is detected."

Does one agree that both the dream and being awake are both illusions? The dream is an illusion when one is half dead, and awake-ness is relatively more lasting, yet an illusion that one sees when one is alive in this world. Right? Please
Life in the hereafter is therefore more real than the life in this temporal world.
Regards

This point is mentioned in Quran:
Verse (29:64)

Sahih International: And this worldly life is not but diversion and amusement. And indeed, the home of the Hereafter - that is the [eternal] life, if only they knew.
The Quranic Arabic Corpus - Word by Word Grammar, Syntax and Morphology of the Holy Quran

The real life is the life in hereafter, the present one is not.
Regards

 

[godnotgod]

This point is mentioned in Quran:
Verse (29:64)

Sahih International: And this worldly life is not but diversion and amusement. And indeed, the home of the Hereafter - that is the [eternal] life, if only they knew.
The Quranic Arabic Corpus - Word by Word Grammar, Syntax and Morphology of the Holy Quran

The real life is the life in hereafter, the present one is not.
Regards

Excuse me, but there is no 'hereafter' that anyone can confirm as being real; there is only the present, and some are asleep and some are awakened. There is no other reality. Anything else is just an idea. The present is real and is all that you will ever know to be real. Contrary to the Quran, the present is not necessarily a life of 'diversion and amusement'. If one truly lives in the present, he will live fully, but most have their attention diverted to either the dead past or some future 'hereafter', neither of which exists in the present, the only place where anything CAN exist.

As Zen Master Shunryu Suzuki has said:

"The idea of another realm is a substantial, delusive idea"

 

[Ben Dhyan]

Excuse me, but there is no 'hereafter' that anyone can confirm as being real; there is only the present, and some are asleep and some are awakened. There is no other reality. Anything else is just an idea. The present is real and is all that you will ever know to be real. Contrary to the Quran, the present is not necessarily a life of 'diversion and amusement'. If one truly lives in the present, he will live fully, but most have their attention diverted to either the dead past or some future 'hereafter', neither of which exists in the present, the only place where anything CAN exist.

As Zen Master Shunryu Suzuki has said:

"The idea of another realm is a substantial, delusive idea"

Semantics, the concept of 'Hereafter' in the context of the Quran is meant to represent the real, the non-dual eternal now', as per my understanding.

 

[Brian Schuh]

There is only one God, the Lord God Hashem, King of the universe, who created all things, both good and evil.

When you understand the absolute Unity of God (not a duality nor a trinity) there can not exist a God of good and a god of evil, nor a heaven and hell.

 

[godnotgod]

Semantics, the concept of 'Hereafter' in the context of the Quran is meant to represent the real, the non-dual eternal now', as per my understanding.

OK, that may be the case. Could be a translation issue? Let us see what paarsurrey has to say.

 

[Ben Dhyan]

OK, that may be the case. Could be a translation issue? Let us see what paarsurrey has to say.

Keep in mind that not much has changed since the days of Jesus, the teachers of the Law, the Rabbis, the Imams, the Priests, etc., they know the scriptures wrt the oneness of God, but they stay in duality, and worse, they teach the followers to do the same thus preventing them from realizing union.