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A mature person believes in science by faith, much like a believer in a god’s law does, anytime he cannot trust his own observations/experiences and logical reasoning more than of anyone else, period
A mature person believes in science by faith, much like a believer in a god’s law does, anytime he cannot trust his own observations/experiences and logical reasoning more than of anyone else, period
We have faith in all sorts of things, all the time, science included.A mature person believes in science by faith, much like a believer in a god’s law does, anytime he cannot trust his own observations/experiences and logical reasoning more than of anyone else, period
False. Period.A mature person believes in science by faith, much like a believer in a god’s law does, anytime he cannot trust his own observations/experiences and logical reasoning more than of anyone else, period
A mature person believes in science by faith, much like a believer in a god’s law does, anytime he cannot trust his own observations/experiences and logical reasoning more than of anyone else, period
A thread like this belongs in a debate area as it makes claims that obviously a lot of people will disagree with. We take this seriously as it complicates moderation. Debates aren't like conversations where everybody tosses in a coin.
A mature person believes in science by faith, much like a believer in a god’s law does, anytime he cannot trust his own observations/experiences and logical reasoning more than of anyone else, period
A mature person believes in science by faith
Could you unpack that more?
I have faith that this post will find its way to this thread by the magic of science
A mature person believes in science by faith, much like a believer in a god’s law does, anytime he cannot trust his own observations/experiences and logical reasoning more than of anyone else, period
The basis of faith in science is that science is rooted in objective observation of nature. We have faith in a theory because it has been put to the test by observation and found to work.
Magic of science?! This is new to me!
We have faith in all sorts of things, all the time, science included.
But that does not imply the basis of that faith is always the same. The basis of faith in science is that science is rooted in objective observation of nature. We have faith in a theory because it has been put to the test by observation and found to work.
This is not true of faith in religion.
So I don't agree the one is much like the other, save in the sense that in both cases we take on trust what we are told by someone else, rather than experiencing it for ourselves directly.
In fact, when I wrote the quoted passage, it crossed my mind as to whether I should be exact and talk in terms of reproducible observations, or whether that might be tech-speak and I should just say objective. I opted for the latter on grounds of clarity, but you have picked me up on it.Spontaneously, I was going to agree with them being quite different. But picking the below apart, may suggest elsewise:
There is no such thing as “objective observation”. We experience things from the perspective of human beings. This is obvious but not trivial because it reminds us that what we call scientific objectivity is actually more a matter of consensus.
We like to think that science evolves because we learn more, but the reason we do so is because our so called “objective” perspective [on reality] changes and, as we collectively redefine reality, new aspects become perceivable and understood in new light.
Finally, just like with science, many acquire faith in their spiritual path because when they practice it, it results in what they had expected. Trouble is that the payoffs of humility, for example, are invisible to the arrogant.
That's the point. We trust a theory because we have read, in a source we trust, that more than one person we trust, in more than one location or using more than one technique, agree on observations that confirm the predictions of the theory. That involves faith. But it is faith based on tests the theory has passed - so long as we are right to trust our sources and the people making the observations. There is a particular, rigorous process followed in science, to make sure that theories are solidly founded on what nature tells us.I wish you are right. But, let us be realistic. Whenever someone believes/trusts another person blindly (that is... more than himself) concerning an idea, he accepted, scientific or else, he would be a believer by faith not by mind.
Yous said:
"We have faith in a theory because it has been put to the test by observation and found to work."
It has been put to the test by whom?!
If this has been done by you, in one way or another (even indirectly by using 'your' logical reasoning, for example), your belief would be based on reason, not faith.