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A Day in the Life of the RF Mods

Sunstone

De Diablo Del Fora
Premium Member
***PLEASE NOTE***

First, this is a discussion thread, not a debate thread. For further information on the difference between discussion and debate see this thread:
Debate vs Discussion: What's the Difference?

Second, Rule 2 is in force in this thread. Please do not violate it by discussing or referencing specific cases of moderation. Speak all you want in general terms, but do not bring up specific cases.


Some folks have suggested to the staff of RF that we post some information on the day-to-day moderation of the Forum so members have a better idea of what goes on 'behind the scenes'. Now that I have fully recovered from last Friday Night's Staff Orgy Since I'm feeling energetic today, I thought I would post on that very subject.

So here is how moderation typically starts... A RFer suspects that a post is in violation of the rules and reports the post to the mods. Alternatively, a staff member might report a post, but staff members seldom, if ever, go hunting for posts that might be in violation of the rules.

When a post is reported, the software automatically creates a thread for the report in a special forum for such reports that is visible only to the staff.

The mods now take charge of the report in order to reach an agreement on what to do about it. Administrators will often pitch in to help the mods out (or at least we think we're helping), especially if reports start to back up. Some admins work much harder than others, with almost everyone of them working harder than me. I tend to focus more on the 'Big Picture', by which I mean anything and everything having to do with running RF that does not involve any real work.

In almost all cases (excepting only the most trivial things) no decision can be reached until a minimum of at least three mods agree to it. This is called "the Consensus Rule", which I implemented as standard operating procedure about a dozen years ago.

The rule's purpose is to counter-balance the effect that any mistakes in judgement made by individual mods might have on the outcomes of moderation. All humans are prone to making mistakes. The Consensus Rule is a way to make sure everyone's work gets double and triple checked for accuracy, fairness, compassion, justice, and so forth. It takes at least three votes, and if there is significant disagreement among the mods, it takes more than three votes before any mod decision is finalized.


Earlier this evening I took a quick look at the report threads for the past seven days. According to my rapid count, 98 report threads were generated during that period, for a daily average of 14 reports. Of those 98 reports, 84 were closed. That is, final decisions had been reached on them. The remaining 14 reports were still active and still being discussed in the report forum.

Of the 84 closed reports, about half (41) ended up as 'official' rules violations and about half (43) involved other matters. "Other matters" might include someone reporting a post containing a video or pic that needs to be put behind spoilers (in order to prevent Google from mistaking us for a porn site, etc). Those sorts of things are not usually treated as rules violations, except in special circumstances. Again, sometimes a mod will report a thread seeking to lock it for review. Those, too, are not usually treated as rules violations. Nor are several other things of similar nature.

Report threads can run from 3 to 70 or more posts, largely depending on how complex the issue is. They can contain anywhere from one to several consensus mod decisions. For instance, in a single thread, a mod consensus might be reached to (1) lock the thread, and another separate consensus might be reached to (2) issue a warning to someone while a third consensus is reached to (3) invite that person to Site Feedback in order to clarify the rules for them.

In addition to working on reports, staff routinely interacts with members in individual Site Feedback threads that can only be viewed by the member who starts one and the staff. These informative exchanges help the staff to understand member's views as much as they are tools for communicating the staff's concerns to members.

All staff members except the Forum owners are unpaid volunteers. When new staff members are needed, the existing staff discusses possible candidates among themselves. Those that more or less everyone agrees are suckers who will work for nothing would make good moderators are then invited to join the staff subject to final approval by a consensus of the admins.

And that more or less outlines a day-in-the-life of the staff.

Comments?



 

PoetPhilosopher

Veteran Member
Comments?

I don't have many.

I did have an idea. It could be good, or could negatively affect quality. It's when future mods are decided, and you're poring over lists if you do, what do you think of having the community try to decide the future people from a list of all good candidates through polls, to give them a possible sense of accomplishment? And that if they end up not liking the actions of the person, you can always say, "You guys chose him." :)
 

sun rise

The world is on fire
Premium Member
With the 3 rule on effect, I can't blame a single mod for making an arbitrary and capricious decision.

Instead I have to find a way to have unfavorable mods on @Revoltingest 's posts just like SCOTUS justices are chosen based on their presumed political bias.
 

Sunstone

De Diablo Del Fora
Premium Member
Is RF non for profit. Or is it run like a business?

RF is a business, and has never been a non-profit. The bills are mainly paid by revenue generated whenever someone clicks on an ad shown on the site.
 

Sunstone

De Diablo Del Fora
Premium Member
I don't have many.

I did have an idea. It could be good, or could negatively affect quality. It's when future mods are decided, and you're poring over lists if you do, what do you think of having the community try to decide the future people from a list of all good candidates through polls, to give them a possible sense of accomplishment? And that if they end up not liking the actions of the person, you can always say, "You guys chose him." :)

Thank you for the suggestion, KAT-KAT. That would take some prolonged pondering to fairly evaluate, so I'm not even going to attempt an opinion here. Off-the-cuff doesn't work in this case.
 

Dan From Smithville

What we've got here is failure to communicate.
Staff member
Premium Member
***PLEASE NOTE***

First, this is a discussion thread, not a debate thread. For further information on the difference between discussion and debate see this thread:
Debate vs Discussion: What's the Difference?

Second, Rule 2 is in force in this thread. Please do not violate it by discussing specific cases of moderation. Speak all you want in general terms, but do not bring up specific cases.


Some folks have suggested to the staff of RF that we post some information on the day-to-day moderation of the Forum so members have a better idea of what goes on 'behind the scenes'. Now that I have fully recovered from last Friday Night's Staff Orgy Since I'm feeling energetic today, I thought I would post on that very subject.

So here is how moderation typically starts... A RFer suspects that a post is in violation of the rules and reports the post to the mods. Alternatively, a staff member might report a post, but staff members seldom, if ever, go hunting for posts that might be in violation of the rules.

When a post is reported, the software automatically creates a thread for the report in a special forum for such reports that is visible only to the staff.

The mods now take charge of the report in order to reach an agreement on what to do about it. Administrators will often pitch in to help the mods out (or at least we think we're helping), especially if reports start to back up. Some admins work much harder than others, with almost everyone of them working harder than me. I tend to focus more on the 'Big Picture', by which I mean anything and everything having to do with running RF that does not involve any real work.

In almost all cases (excepting only the most trivial things) no decision can be reached until a minimum of at least three mods agree to it. This is called "the Consensus Rule", which I implemented as standard operating procedure about a dozen years ago.

The rule's purpose is to counter-balance the effect that any mistakes in judgement made by individual mods might have on the outcomes of moderation. All humans are prone to making mistakes. The Consensus Rule is a way to make sure everyone's work gets double and triple checked for accuracy, fairness, compassion, justice, and so forth. It takes at least three votes, and if there is significant disagreement among the mods, it takes more than three votes before any mod decision is finalized.


Earlier this evening I took a quick look at the report threads for the past seven days. According to my rapid count, 98 report threads were generated during that period, for a daily average of 14 reports. Of those 98 reports, 84 were closed. That is, final decisions had been reached on them. The remaining 14 reports were still active and still being discussed in the report forum.

Of the 84 closed reports, about half (41) ended up as 'official' rules violations and about half (43) involved other matters. "Other matters" might include someone reporting a post containing a video or pic that needs to be put behind spoilers (in order to prevent Google from mistaking us for a porn site, etc). Those sorts of things are not usually treated as rules violations, except in special circumstances. Again, sometimes a mod will report a thread seeking to lock it for review. Those, too, are not usually treated as rules violations. Nor are several other things of similar nature.

Report threads can run from 3 to 70 or more posts, largely depending on how complex the issue is. They can contain anywhere from one to several consensus mod decisions. For instance, in a single thread, a mod consensus might be reached to (1) lock the thread, and another separate consensus might be reached to (2) issue a warning to someone while a third consensus is reached to (3) invite that person to Site Feedback in order to clarify the rules for them.

In addition to working on reports, staff routinely interacts with members in individual Site Feedback threads that can only be viewed by the member who starts one and the staff. These informative exchanges help the staff to understand member's views as much as they are tools for communicating the staff's concerns to members.

All staff members except the Forum owners are unpaid volunteers. When new staff members are needed, the existing staff discusses possible candidates among themselves. Those that more or less everyone agrees are suckers who will work for nothing would make good moderators are then invited to join the staff subject to final approval by a consensus of the admins.

And that more or less outlines a day-in-the-life of the staff.

Comments?
This is all very interesting. Thanks for the information. How many moderators are there and is there a limit on the number? What do you look for in potential staff members?
 

Sunstone

De Diablo Del Fora
Premium Member
How many moderators are there and is there a limit on the number?

There is no firmly established limit on the number of mods, but mods are active to varying degrees. Currently, sbout six to nine mods and admins do most of the heavy lifting with the rest pitching in less often. But the job isn't as easy or as unstressful as it might sound and many mods burn out. Usually, they sooner or later retire afterwards. We try to keep even the inactive ones around for their advice.

What do you look for in potential staff members?

Team players. Level-heads. Fair-mindedness. Compassion. Humility. Stuff like that. But we do not expect perfection (or the gods know I would never have gotten the job). That's why modding is very much a team sport. No one person is so perfect they can always be certain of issuing sound decisions. We work together as a team providing each other with reality-checks.
 

Sunstone

De Diablo Del Fora
Premium Member
I've picked a perfect day to return to the forums! This thread is nothing short of riveting!

Hope you're staying safe, Sunstone. ;)

Deidre! So wonderful to see you again! Are you just dropping by, or do you intend to stay awhile? i.e. are you fixin' to break my heart or make it burst with joy? :)
 

Deidre

Well-Known Member
Deidre! So wonderful to see you again! Are you just dropping by, or do you intend to stay awhile? i.e. are you fixin' to break my heart or make it burst with joy? :)
I'm going with...burst with joy. :glomp:

It's great to see you, my friend.
 

lewisnotmiller

Grand Hat
Staff member
Premium Member
Deidre! So wonderful to see you again! Are you just dropping by, or do you intend to stay awhile? i.e. are you fixin' to break my heart or make it burst with joy? :)

Two questions...
Are you suggesting you can burst your heart WITHOUT breaking it?
Is this how one moves from mod to Redland?
 

Quagmire

Imaginary talking monkey
Staff member
Premium Member
How can I found out which one of slashed my tires?
It was me, but it's Ok, I was acting with the consensus of at least 2 other staff members ( actually, the decision was unanimous, with many staff members voting twice).
 
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