cambridge79
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If i can show my point i would be highly interested in what you have to say about this.
The ten commandments: we all probably know what i'm talking about so i'll try to keep it short.
Exodus in a nutshell: "Jews live a life of slavery under the egypitans. God help Moses to free his people and lead them away from egypt and into the promise land. At the end Moses goes up the mountain and God talks to him and gives him the laws for his tribe to follow, and here they come the 10 commandments we all know"
but it's not that simple and i've a couple of arguments on the subject:
ARGUMENT N°1: if you actually keep on reading Exodus after Exodus 20,17 you see that God keeps on talking to Moses and keeps on giving him many more laws beside the 10 commandments.
Laws that we're actually totally oblivious of. Laws that show how to deal with your slaves, even how to beat him ( you can beat him, but don't go too hard and you'll please the lord ) and all sort of other things. Later you read Moses comes down the mountain with two tablet chiseled on both sides, nobody would need all that space if only to write down the 10 commandments. So first thing first one should ask himself why we nowday only refer and only know the 10 commandments and completely ignore all the rest? Shouldn't we ignore them too at this point, or if we give value to them shouldn't we adopt all the other laws from Exodus 20,17 to Exodus 23,19?
Apparently they only come first but i don't read anywhere that they're more important. All the other laws come from the very voice of God too so they should have the same values of the 10 commandments cause we can't decide what to listen and what to ignore of what directly tells us.
ARGUMENT N°2: in the end the laws God gives to Moses are nothing special at all. I mean, this is supposed to be God talking to mankind and giving them the best morality his infinite wisdom can come up for them, right?
Well, i've always read that Exodus episode as describe in the bible can be dated around the 13th century bce. Oldest dating i've found set it at 15th century bce.
Hammurabi code is dated 1754 bce, so in any case is older. And when i say older i mean it's from 2 to 5 centuries older. 5 centuries is like Columbus compared to us.
The Hammurabi code has more or less already all the commandments in itself, so basically God felt the need to open the sky in order to give Moses a copycat of something that the pagan babylonian people where already able to develop by themselves centuries earlier. Babylonian people that were their neighbours and that they must have been aware of, by the way, so why not just ask? That feels honestly stupid, i mean it either shows that god is lazy or that man don't need God to develop by themselves good laws since those laws were already there.
The ten commandments: we all probably know what i'm talking about so i'll try to keep it short.
Exodus in a nutshell: "Jews live a life of slavery under the egypitans. God help Moses to free his people and lead them away from egypt and into the promise land. At the end Moses goes up the mountain and God talks to him and gives him the laws for his tribe to follow, and here they come the 10 commandments we all know"
but it's not that simple and i've a couple of arguments on the subject:
ARGUMENT N°1: if you actually keep on reading Exodus after Exodus 20,17 you see that God keeps on talking to Moses and keeps on giving him many more laws beside the 10 commandments.
Laws that we're actually totally oblivious of. Laws that show how to deal with your slaves, even how to beat him ( you can beat him, but don't go too hard and you'll please the lord ) and all sort of other things. Later you read Moses comes down the mountain with two tablet chiseled on both sides, nobody would need all that space if only to write down the 10 commandments. So first thing first one should ask himself why we nowday only refer and only know the 10 commandments and completely ignore all the rest? Shouldn't we ignore them too at this point, or if we give value to them shouldn't we adopt all the other laws from Exodus 20,17 to Exodus 23,19?
Apparently they only come first but i don't read anywhere that they're more important. All the other laws come from the very voice of God too so they should have the same values of the 10 commandments cause we can't decide what to listen and what to ignore of what directly tells us.
ARGUMENT N°2: in the end the laws God gives to Moses are nothing special at all. I mean, this is supposed to be God talking to mankind and giving them the best morality his infinite wisdom can come up for them, right?
Well, i've always read that Exodus episode as describe in the bible can be dated around the 13th century bce. Oldest dating i've found set it at 15th century bce.
Hammurabi code is dated 1754 bce, so in any case is older. And when i say older i mean it's from 2 to 5 centuries older. 5 centuries is like Columbus compared to us.
The Hammurabi code has more or less already all the commandments in itself, so basically God felt the need to open the sky in order to give Moses a copycat of something that the pagan babylonian people where already able to develop by themselves centuries earlier. Babylonian people that were their neighbours and that they must have been aware of, by the way, so why not just ask? That feels honestly stupid, i mean it either shows that god is lazy or that man don't need God to develop by themselves good laws since those laws were already there.
