There might not be there might be from your perspective, perhaps the guidance itself gives you the discerning methodology. You won't know if you don't give the guidance a chance.
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Do those who prefer falsehood over truth deserve hell forever?
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I believe I addressed every post I responded to.
Yet, disbelievers insist proof is not presented. Quran in reply shows even when clear proofs are presented by Messengers, people respond that no proof is presented and that what they say is unclear and not understandable.
It's a rational response. You can look at it from viewpoint of disbeliever or viewpoint of belief. Or viewpoint of neutrality. Why would it make this claim if belief is true sort of thing.
From the last thing mentioned, it's good to see that if there is a burden proof, there is a burden to listen, per Islam God has provided proof, but people don't listen.
Perhaps your "guidance" is merely your believing
what you want, & justifying it by claiming it's from
God because it feels thus.
I observe reality. I consider it at great length.
And the result is no sign of or guidance from
any deities.
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I spent a long time on atheist forums. I gave it a chance, I don't see how it's a rational position give both metaphysical and physical evidence.
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I don't insist upon it.
It simply is.
Odd it is that you offer no proof here.
Only claims that can't be proven right or wrong.
What you call "proof", I call empty proselytizing.
Yet from my perspective, God is in the horizon, you exist in his vision and your actions all get accounted through his judgment. You not listening and seeing this is not that it's unclear.
It's rational to not believe in things without evidence.
PureX
Veteran Member
Doing 'good' is meaningless unless we do it knowingly, and freely.
It’s meaningless if God equates the end result of both actions and good and evil are dealt with the same way.
PureX
Veteran Member
God can do whatever God wants. You werent asking God the question, you were asking me.
Is there any proof from God that your scenario is true?
Alien826
No religious beliefs
Really? A couple of questions before decide. Can I be guaranteed a kind and caring owner that will keep me fed with quality dog food and a few treats? Will I be kept indoors and allowed to sit on any furniture and sleep on the bed? Will I be allowed to bark a reasonable amount? What about a secure yard with no danger of straying on to a road? I will need to be let out to pee and poop when I ask, and please, no over reaction if I occasionally have a 'mistake" in the house. Will he take me to the vet when I get ill? How about plenty of long walks, and let me stop to sniff things whenever I wish? If so, where to I join?
Oh, not so sure about being a cat.
RamaRaksha
*banned*
You have already decided when you hope for Heaven - you want the easy lazy life - As an Adult you are supposed to ask questions
If you see an ad on TV touting a vacation to Disney land over a low, low price, your kids might shout and say "Let's Go!"
But you, as an adult need to ask the proper questions - what is involved in this given price - what kind of a room? What events can you go to? Is the airfare included?
Someone says, "Just quit your low paying job, mean boss and some rich guy will show up at your door and GIVE you millions, live the good life"
Are you drooling? And saying I am going to quit now? No, you are calling that guy a fool
Religions are making the same easy cheap promises - God is the rich Guy just GIVING away the good life!
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You don't walk into a car dealership and just buy whatever the salesman is pitching
If you are stuck with a lemon - what do you think you will have to do?
As an Adult you need to question these easy promises that religion is making
Life teaches you that if you don't ask such questions don't complain if the result is not to your liking
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God doesn't need to create a whole magic land in the sky where billions of people just sit about doing nothing
Have you heard of Occam's Razor?
Well that applies here
You have chosen blindly to accept life as a dependent - sit around doing nothing
And such a life is the life of a pet - a sheep, a tree
So those who choose Heaven will get such a life - not what they expected, but it is their choice
Free Will
RamaRaksha
*banned*
There is a saying - Just because you have the right to do something, doesn't make it the right thing to do
No Sir, God is bound by the Laws of Truth
God is not going to do something that is wrong
Alien826
No religious beliefs
osgart
Nothing my eye, Something for sure
It's very easy to be wrong about what is true. So falsehood alone doesn't determine the nature and actions of any human beings. Very genuine people can find themselves trapped in falsehood. And humility is the way out of a falsehood. Then there is the matter of what exactly does one humble themselves to. So being caught up in a falsehood doesn't deserve forever hell by any means. The love of malicious deceit is grounds for heavy consequences. Of course no one owes any other every honesty.
A person can only be responsible for what they deserve to know that is obviously true vs. what they should know to be responsible for what is true.
Forever hell is not something anyone knows is true. I mean if someone loves murder forever then they deserve forever punishment, but finite crimes deserve only finite punishment. Let the punishment equal the crime. People should only get what they deserve. I don't think any human being is fit to make forever judgments on other people.
An intellectual mistake is no grounds for punishment.
A person can only be responsible for what they deserve to know that is obviously true vs. what they should know to be responsible for what is true.
Forever hell is not something anyone knows is true. I mean if someone loves murder forever then they deserve forever punishment, but finite crimes deserve only finite punishment. Let the punishment equal the crime. People should only get what they deserve. I don't think any human being is fit to make forever judgments on other people.
An intellectual mistake is no grounds for punishment.
What? Not a single word about how you became convinced that Islam is true based facts and reasoning. Using reason as a tool is not arrogance.
What God? That’s the big question right there. You offer no facts. And that you believe in a God is irrelevant.
Righteous? I never think of myself in that manner. Of course I’m not calling all non-Muslims evil.
Since most folks don’t feel any such connection, including believers, that rules out a God existing. The rest must be fooling themselves.
It’ll be somewhere.
I suggest calling others evil because they aren’t part of your religion means you aren’t out of the evil woods yet.
So you don’t agree with @Link’s belief that non-Muslims are evil?