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Irony of the evolutionary belief

YoursTrue

YoursTrue

Faith-confidence in what we hope for (Hebrews 11)
John53 said:
Lol. How many scientists do you know who make predictions of exact dates for the end of the world and encourage their followers to sell all their possessions and donate it to them? Did the Watch Tower Society ever compensate those who sold their houses and were left destitute?
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No use blaming others. And no use for you thinking about the future, scientists have already sized up things for you. But scientists themselves are saying that disaster is closer than ever. You can't argue with evolution because it's a theory, not a person. Perhaps you think the scientists are lying, or perhaps you believe in the flat earth theory? So according to the theory of evolution, humans are destined to die. Some younger than others, some born with defects. No matter what. All born to die. How do you feel about that? I figure you can't help it, since you believe all humans, gorillas, fish, etc. are in the same category and will die. But -- laugh as you will, scientists do say the clock is ticking towards disaster and it's closer than ever. Current Time - 2024 - Bulletin of the Atomic Scientists
Aside from the fact that you believe the theory of evolution and that all humans are destined to die, according to scientists, mankind in general is close, very close now to disaster, as if it weren't before this.
"In short, current efforts to reduce greenhouse gas emissions are grossly insufficient to avoid dangerous human and economic impacts from climate change, which disproportionately affect the poorest people in the world." No use wondering for you about right or wrong dates, just try to believe what the scientists are predicting. :) (Can't do anything about it, though. Or maybe you think you can...Sooner or later -- )
 
Subduction Zone

Subduction Zone

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Eli G said:
What an interesting thing to think about: why would I classify mosquitoes in many different "species"? If I only have one pair of them, wouldn't I get all the supposed "many" species of them out of that only couple?

It seems to me that evolutionists like to exaggerate things too much to make them look more impressive. :)

Noah may have had a simple pair of mosquitoes breeding on the ark at the beginning. They reproduce like rabbits, the very uncomfortable little characters.

BTW, why is there so much "speciation" of mosquitoes? What would be the evolutionary need for so many "species" of them, according to the teachers of the doctrine of the evolution of species?
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There never was a worldwide flood, and every science shows that to be a fact.
 
YoursTrue

YoursTrue

Faith-confidence in what we hope for (Hebrews 11)
Subduction Zone said:
They are not "species" They are much larger groups. There are countless species of mosquitoes. There are countless species of flies etc. But to try to claim that a large group is a "species" is like trying to claim that a country is a city within that country. You made a category error.
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I suppose you have a theory that species of mosquitoes evolve to something other than mosquitoes. Like gorillas will not stay as gorillas, etc. maybe. And yet they have not discovered the Unknown Common Ancestor that branched out to the various species of apes, have they? The argument(s) can be useless and futile, especially since the Doomsday Clock, by scientists, is ticking and not in a position to be reversed. Bye for now -- Current Time - 2024 - Bulletin of the Atomic Scientists
So long to arguments about evolution--or anything else for many.
 
Valjean

Valjean

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Eli G said:
I don't know how to answer that...
It's like you think mosquitoes, flies or ants are not species of animals.
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Mosquitoes and ants are Families. Flies are an Order -- which includes mosquitoes, by the way.
Do you think the insects trapped in amber, if revived, could breed with today's species?
Eli G said:
What makes you think that?
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Have you seen many mammoths, ground sloths, pterodactyls or plesiosaurs around lately?
 
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Eli G

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Man, open your eyes to nature. You are living in books of the doctrine of the evolution. You are indoctrinated and you don't even notice it. There are more than false evolutionary stories in this world. Get out of that box. :rolleyes:
 
Subduction Zone

Subduction Zone

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YoursTrue said:
I suppose you have a theory that species of mosquitoes evolve to something other than mosquitoes. Like gorillas will not stay as gorillas, etc. maybe. And yet they have not discovered the Unknown Common Ancestor that branched out to the various species of apes, have they? The argument(s) can be useless and futile, especially since the Doomsday Clock, by scientists, is ticking and not in a position to be reversed. Bye for now -- Current Time - 2024 - Bulletin of the Atomic Scientists
So long to arguments about evolution--or anything else for many.
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No, just as you are still an ape the mosquitoes are still mosquitoes. That you do not understand this is truly amazing.

Eli made an error.

If I claimed that the USA was a small town in Iowa would I be wrong? I hope that you said yes. Species are akin to individual small towns. Families and Genres and other groups are more like state, countries and even continents.
 
Subduction Zone

Subduction Zone

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Eli G said:
Man, open your eyes to nature. You are living in books of the doctrine of the evolution. You are indoctrinated and you don't even notice it. There are more than false evolutionary stories in this world. Get out of that box. :rolleyes:
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How would you support that claim?

Now I could, if you could get over your fears, explain the basics of science to you well enough so that you could understand why evolution is a fact. You are the only one that seems to post nonsense and run away here.
 
John53

John53

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Premium Member
YoursTrue said:
No use blaming others. And no use for you thinking about the future, scientists have already sized up things for you. But scientists themselves are saying that disaster is closer than ever. You can't argue with evolution because it's a theory, not a person. Perhaps you think the scientists are lying, or perhaps you believe in the flat earth theory? So according to the theory of evolution, humans are destined to die. Some younger than others, some born with defects. No matter what. All born to die. How do you feel about that? I figure you can't help it, since you believe all humans, gorillas, fish, etc. are in the same category and will die. But -- laugh as you will, scientists do say the clock is ticking towards disaster and it's closer than ever. Current Time - 2024 - Bulletin of the Atomic Scientists
Aside from the fact that you believe the theory of evolution and that all humans are destined to die, according to scientists, mankind in general is close, very close now to disaster, as if it weren't before this.
"In short, current efforts to reduce greenhouse gas emissions are grossly insufficient to avoid dangerous human and economic impacts from climate change, which disproportionately affect the poorest people in the world." No use wondering for you about right or wrong dates, just try to believe what the scientists are predicting. :) (Can't do anything about it, though. Or maybe you think you can...Sooner or later -- )
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I don't really understand any of what you are trying to communicate or how it is relevant to what you responded to.
 
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Eli G

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I really liked a figure of many species of ducks that a forum member posted somewhere. I would also really like one with all the butterflies or small fish, or pheasants, etc.

Why do I have to consider "evolution of species" the simple fact that there is so much diversity of the same type of animal? I believe that rather, this diversity is an indication that such a complicated evolutionary process of new animals is a simple exaggeration of the genetic biodiversity that is imbued in simple animal genera, just like human diversity.

The terms species, class, genus, etc., are all relative terms. These definitions are artificial, and their definition describes what is purposely included in the definition... Just because two animals are classified as different or the same, we can't determine how or why they appeared in the family line of another animal very similar in appearance to it.

Can a child differentiate between different types of ducks? Have evolutionists tested all animal species to see which of them produce fertile offspring among themselves?
 
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YoursTrue

YoursTrue

Faith-confidence in what we hope for (Hebrews 11)
John53 said:
I don't really understand any of what you are trying to communicate or how it is relevant to what you responded to.
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I understand that you don't understand. God alone is the one that can help you to understand better.
Notice what Dr. Carl Sagan said in his book, Cosmos,"...we may have only another few decades until Doomsday. A more detailed comparison of the incidence of wars before and after 1945 might help to clarify this question. It is of more than passing concern." He wrote that several decades ago. According to the Doomsday Clock scientists, mankind is closer than ever to disaster.
How do you feel about that? According to evolutionists', death is the natural scheme of things anyway. Whether it's sooner or later.
 
Subduction Zone

Subduction Zone

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Eli G said:
I really liked a figure of many species of ducks that a forum member posted somewhere. I would also really like one with all the butterflies or small fish, or pheasants, etc.

Why do I have to consider "evolution of species" the simple fact that there is so much diversity of the same type of animal? I believe that rather, this diversity is an indication that such a complicated evolutionary process of new animals is a simple exaggeration of the genetic biodiversity that is imbued in simple animal genera, just like human diversity.

The terms species, class, genus, etc., are all relative terms. These definitions are artificial, and their definition describes what is purposely included in the definition... Just because two animals are classified as different or the same, we can't determine how or why they appeared in the family line of another animal very similar in appearance to it.

Can a child differentiate between different types of ducks? Have evolutionists tested all animal species to see which of them produce fertile offspring among themselves?
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Yes, the classifications are all man made. They show roughly how closely species are related to each other.

But did you know that there is a way that we can tell much more accurately how closely species are related to each other?
 
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Eli G

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Telling how an animal could be closer or farther than a similar or dissimilar animal is not an exact science or those studies are definitive. So, pretending that something an evolutionist states is definitive is just reckless. Don't pretend that you are the finger of God, old man.
 
Subduction Zone

Subduction Zone

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Eli G said:
Telling how an animal could be closer or farther than a similar or dissimilar animal is not an exact science or those studies are definitive. So, pretending that something an evolutionist states is definitive is just reckless. Don't pretend that you are the finger of God, old man.
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That may be true when the distance between them is large. It is not that when they are closely related. It is the same sciences that allowed Maury Povich to make a career of shouting "You are the father". I know, you want to claim that your God is a liar for some odd reason. You have not explained why you want to do that yet.
 
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Eli G

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You have a trauma with my God, old man.
Take care of yourself; You are no match for even a mosquito.

That was it for you today. You're welcome.
 
Subduction Zone

Subduction Zone

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Eli G said:
You have a trauma with my God, old man.
Take care of yourself; You are no match for even a mosquito.

That was it for you today. You're welcome.
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And yet you have no answers for my questions. You seem to be saying that you are far less than a mosquito.

You really should try to learn the basics of science, logic, and reasoning. You might not be endlessly shooting yourself in the foot with false claims if you did that.

You still have no reason as to why you are so afraid to learn.
 
YoursTrue

YoursTrue

Faith-confidence in what we hope for (Hebrews 11)
Subduction Zone said:
That may be true when the distance between them is large. It is not that when they are closely related. It is the same sciences that allowed Maury Povich to make a career of shouting "You are the father". I know, you want to claim that your God is a liar for some odd reason. You have not explained why you want to do that yet.
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How about this, and I did post it in another thread (notice -- is the following a lie, too?)
"The interaction between volcanism and sedimentation and development of concurrent facies are governed largely by two factors. These are that (1) active volcanism produces abundant sediment that is rapidly delivered to sites of deposition, and (2) lateral changes are the result of flow transformations. During eruptions, large volumes of pyroclastic and hydroclastic sediment are released far more rapidly than any process of production of epiclastic particles" https://volcanology.geol.ucsb.edu/facies.htm
 
YoursTrue

YoursTrue

Faith-confidence in what we hope for (Hebrews 11)
Subduction Zone said:
And yet you have no answers for my questions. You seem to be saying that you are far less than a mosquito.

You really should try to learn the basics of science, logic, and reasoning. You might not be endlessly shooting yourself in the foot with false claims if you did that.

You still have no reason as to why you are so afraid to learn.
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Odd -- that's how you reason...so try to learn more about volcanoes, lava flow and carrying sediment. Thanks. No use arguing, because unfortunately, figure if scientists are wrong about how close the Earth is now to disaster. Doesn't matter. Go back to evolution and maintain your stand that everything dies now and forever. So why argue about it? Either death included with evolution happens and lava flows carry sedimentation along with it or these things do not happen.
 
Subduction Zone

Subduction Zone

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YoursTrue said:
How about this, and I did post it in another thread (notice -- is the following a lie, too?)
"The interaction between volcanism and sedimentation and development of concurrent facies are governed largely by two factors. These are that (1) active volcanism produces abundant sediment that is rapidly delivered to sites of deposition, and (2) lateral changes are the result of flow transformations. During eruptions, large volumes of pyroclastic and hydroclastic sediment are released far more rapidly than any process of production of epiclastic particles" https://volcanology.geol.ucsb.edu/facies.htm
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It is dishonest because you are trying to misunderstand on purpose.
 
YoursTrue

YoursTrue

Faith-confidence in what we hope for (Hebrews 11)
Subduction Zone said:
It is dishonest because you are trying to misunderstand on purpose.
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Besides, you have probably inadvertently helped me in a way you may not understand now and possibly never will. I hope you do understand at a certain point. Anyway, my finite body must say goodnight now and hope you have a pleasant evening as the consideration of what scientists say regarding Doomsday looms in the horizon. No problem. :) It's evolution or -- Doomsday. One evidently caused by man, the other by what you consider as nature. One sooner than the other maybe.
 
Subduction Zone

Subduction Zone

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YoursTrue said:
Besides, you have probably inadvertently helped me in a way you may not understand now and possibly never will. I hope you do understand at a certain point. Anyway, my finite body must say goodnight now and hope you have a pleasant evening as the consideration of what scientists say regarding Doomsday looms in the horizon. No problem. :) It's evolution or -- Doomsday. One evidently caused by man, the other by what you consider as nature. One sooner than the other maybe.
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Why are you so desperate to deny reality? You do not seem to understand that volcaniclastics are still volcanic in origin and are therefore classified as igneous.
 
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