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Israel Wants Escalation With Iran

Wandering Monk

Well-Known Member
there's also a distinct possibility Iran already has nuclear weapons, and it is a given that Israel is going to act very stupidly and massively escalate the situation as they always do, possibly bringing in Russia, so Biden is right to say its best to end it right now.
If they have them, they haven't been tested anywhere. Who know if they will work.
 

Brickjectivity

One
Staff member
Premium Member
Incidentally, it used to be common knowledge that Israel had nuclear weapons. Does anyone know if that was (and more importantly still is) the case? If so, why isn't anyone talking (and worrying) about it?
Its only been rumored, and Israel doesn't admit anything. Israel has no nuclear power plants and not enough land to mine uranium. Uranium enrichment is unlikely there. To have nukes they'd have to get them from someone else. My guess is they don't have them, but they find it beneficial not to say anything.
 

Lyndon

"Peace is the answer" quote: GOD, 2014
Premium Member
Its only been rumored, and Israel doesn't admit anything. Israel has no nuclear power plants and not enough land to mine uranium. Uranium enrichment is unlikely there. To have nukes they'd have to get them from someone else. My guess is they don't have them, but they find it beneficial not to say anything.
Israel has nuclear research reactors, look it up

 

Wandering Monk

Well-Known Member
Its only been rumored, and Israel doesn't admit anything. Israel has no nuclear power plants and not enough land to mine uranium. Uranium enrichment is unlikely there. To have nukes they'd have to get them from someone else. My guess is they don't have them, but they find it beneficial not to say anything.
Israel had a power plant in Dimona in the Negev. Israel gave the Negev back to Egypt in 1982 but still retains control over the Dimona nuclear power plant.
 

Brickjectivity

One
Staff member
Premium Member
Israel had a power plant in Dimona in the Negev. Israel gave the Negev back to Egypt in 1982 but still retains control over the Dimona nuclear power plant.
That I did not know, so it could conceivably be used to enrich then. Also Israel never claimed to have nuclear weapons, much like all the other countries. There's no point in presuming that it has them.
 

Lyndon

"Peace is the answer" quote: GOD, 2014
Premium Member
That I did not know, so it could conceivably be used to enrich then. Also Israel never claimed to have nuclear weapons, much like all the other countries. There's no point in presuming that it has them.
nonsense, Israeli officials have claimed they have them
 

Wandering Monk

Well-Known Member
That I did not know, so it could conceivably be used to enrich then. Also Israel never claimed to have nuclear weapons, much like all the other countries. There's no point in presuming that it has them.
There is suspicion that Israel tested a nuclear device in 1979 on an island in the Prince Edward Islands, South African territory. Much disagreement about this, possibly politically driven: Vela incident - Wikipedia
 

esmith

Veteran Member
As far as Israel and nuclear research and weapons testing goes it is a know fact that they are doing nuclear research.
see: Nuclear weapons and Israel - Wikipedia
Israel began to investigate the nuclear field soon after it declared independence in 1948 and, with French co-operation, secretly began building the Negev Nuclear Research Center,[d] a facility near Dimona housing a nuclear reactor and reprocessing plant in the late 1950s.

As far as nuclear weapons, Israel does not admit they have nuclear weapons.
Now it is speculated that Israel tested a nuclear weapon; see the Vela Incident information at : Vela incident - Wikipedia
The Vela incident was an unidentified double flash of light detected by an American Vela Hotel satellite on 22 September 1979 near the South African territory of Prince Edward Islands in the Indian Ocean, roughly midway between Africa and Antarctica. Today, most independent researchers believe that the flash was caused by a nuclear explosion[1][2][3]—an undeclared joint nuclear test carried out by South Africa and Israel.[4][5]

The cause of the flash remains officially unknown, and some information about the event remains classified by the U.S. government.[5] While it has been suggested that the signal could have been caused by a meteoroid hitting the satellite, the previous 41 double flashes detected by the Vela satellites were caused by nuclear weapons tests.[6][7][8]
 

Nakosis

Non-Binary Physicalist
Premium Member
USA, Britain and Germany to finance and enable it.
USA and Israel must be stopped.
By whom though?

Israel's UN response to the Iranian attack.

If TLTW; Iran is NAZI Germany, the Ayatollah is Hitler and Israel is not a frog.
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
Israel's UN response to the Iranian attack.

If TLTW; Iran is NAZI Germany, the Ayatollah is Hitler and Israel is not a frog.
I happened to see it on BBC.
Utterly stupid dwelling on escalating tit for tat.
Israel resembles Nazi Germany more and more.
 

IndigoChild5559

Loving God and my neighbor as myself.
USA, Britain and Germany to finance and enable it.
USA and Israel must be stopped.
By whom though?
I have a different view. I'm rejoicing in Israel's stunning victory, and I'm grateful for the assistance in this from the UK, France, the US, and JORDAN! in shooting down the drones and missiles. I'm also thankful for the intelligence from the Saudis, UAE, and other gulf states that made this victory possible.

Although Israel is sending signals that it will retaliate, I can think of some very good reasons why they may end up not responding. First, no real harm was done to Israel, so they may simply view this win as such a great victory that no response is necessary. Second, this Iran attack has turned world sympathies towards Israel, and they may simply choose not to mess with that.

We can only wait and see what will happen.
 

IndigoChild5559

Loving God and my neighbor as myself.
Hardly "stunning" when US, Britain and France all
provided defense. Advance notice made the
attack symbolic. Israel appears to want escalation.
By stunning victory, I am referring to the fact that only very very minor damage was done to Israel. I am referring to this:
"An Israeli military spokesman said the launches numbered more than 300, but 99% of them were intercepted. Rear Adm. Daniel Hagari said Iran fired 170 drones, more than 30 cruise missiles and more than 120 ballistic missiles"
 
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